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Allin Swales was born in Glaisdale, North Yorks in 1893. I understand he might have died in Canada in 1913. Can anyone suggest how I might prove this?

Could he have been a Home Child? There's this one:

Surname: SWALESGiven Name: AllenAge: 19Sex: MShip: Empress of BritainYear of Arrival: 1913Departure Port: LiverpoolDeparture Date: 02 May 1913Arrival Port: QuebecArrival Date: 09 May 1913Comments: IndividualsSource: Library and Archives Canada/Bibliothèque et Archives CanadaReference: RG76 C 1 aMicrofilm: T-4795Type of Record: Passenger Lists/Listes de passagersGroup of Children Traveling Together

There was also a Frank Swales, age 20, on same ship.

Hi Margaret,
I doubt very much that he was a Home Child. He was of a large family (8) and as far as I know he didn't have a brother Frank. Do you know if Canadian death records are viewable somewhere?

Do you have any idea which province?

There are some Ontario Vital Statistices here:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onvsr/index.htm

British Columbia here:

http://www.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/textual/governmt/vstats/v_events.htm

Manitoba here:

http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

Saskatchewan here:

https://www.isc.ca/VitalStatistics/Genealogy/vsgs_srch.aspx

Which has this death but doesn't tell you much:

Registration Number: 3477
Last Name: SWALES
First Name: ALLEN
Sex: M
Death Date (yyyy/mm/dd): 1913 / 11 / 14

If you google the name there's a tree online that has your Allin Swales with this date of death but no other info.

Hi,
Thankyou very much for your help.
The Allen Swales you list with a death date of 14 Nov. 1913 is the date I have, but I didn't have Saskatchewan. His christian name was definately Allin.

Yes, I see that his name was Allin, his mother's maiden name, I believe. We mistranscribe in Canada too. He doesn't show up on the 1911 Canadian census. Perhaps someone with access to passenger lists could tell you when he came to Canada.

Hi,
Following your message I have sent an e-mail to "Information Services Corporation of Saskatchewan". They have replied already saying they are looking into it.
Many thanks
BS

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Canadian Soldiers of World War I, 1914-1918
about Frank Swales
Name: Frank Swales
Birth Date: 27 Jun 1892
Birth Location: Whitby, Yorkshire, England
Relative: Mrs Jane Butterwick
Relationship: Aunt
Regiment Number: 441.582
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Just because they travelled to Canada on the same ship does not mean that they are related.

Hi SatNav,

This is fascinating!

I have only today added a Jane Butterwick (nee Swales) to my tree, . . . . I now have to fit this Frank Swales into the tree somewhere!

Many thanks

Hawthorn

That's good,now if Allin and Frank are related then that is Allin on the Empress of Britain and he was only in Canada for six months.

And if so they were both Home Children. Why? Had the parents died?
Do you have them on the 1911 census in England?

A useful portal to LAC is:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/index-e.html

drill down to:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php
for a copy of Frank's attestation papers

Allin and Frank are cousins I think.
1901 England Census
about Frank Swales
Name: Frank Swales
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1893
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Fryup Glaisdale, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Glaisdale
Ecclesiastical parish: Glaisdale St Thomas
Town: Fryup
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Whitby
Sub-registration district: Egton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
Danvers A Swales 32
Martha Ann Swales 33
Allin Swales 7 <<<<<<<<
Edmund Swales 6
Henry Swales 3
Alfred Swales 11 months
Alice Swales 34
John Harrison 16
Frank Swales 8 <<<<<<<<nephew

Is this the parents' marriage?

Marriages Jun 1860 (>99%)
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Allin Ann Guisbro 9d 651
Swales Watson Guisbro 9d 651

Father's death?

Deaths Jun 1891 (>99%)
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Swales Watson 64 Whitby 9d 429

Oops no, I must be wrong, I'm sure they weren't having children 30 odd years after marriage!

OK, I got it . Allin is son of Danvers Allin Swales who is the son of Watson Swales.

Oh wow . . . . . thanks everyone ! ! !

However it's going to be tomorrow now before I have the time to check all this new information out.

Once again thankyou everyone for your help, much appreciated.

Watch this space !

Hawthorn

PS - Margaret, you are correct that Allin was the son of Danvers who was the son of Watson. Also I now think Frank was the illegitimate son of Alice Swales (brother of Danvers Allin).

Have you seen this will of Ann Swales, mother of Danvers, also mother of Jane Butterwick?

http://www.btinternet.com/~Bryan.Hoggarth/Wills/1899-Will-of-Ann-SWALES-of-Fryup-made-1895.rtf

Once again thanks everyone for your help.

Margaret . . . . where did you find that will, it's realy interesting. I didn't realise wills were on the net!

SatNav - Where did you discover that Frank & Allin Swales crossed to Canada on the Empress Of Britain?

Margaret gave you the voyage on her first post.
It is also on Ancestry.
Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935

Name Estimated birth year Birth Country Date of Arrival Vessel Port of Arrival Port of Departure

Frank Swales abt 1893 9 May 1913 Empress of Britain Quebec Liverpool, England

Allen Swales abt 1894 9 May 1913 Empress of Britain Quebec Liverpool, England
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and findmypast

SWALES A 1894 M 1913 Liverpool Canada Quebec
SWALES F 1893 M 1913 Liverpool Canada Quebec

I found the will by googling "Allin Swales" It was transcribed by Bryan Hoggarth. Try googling different Swales names. There are other wills that he has transcribed.

The passenger list that I found was listed under "Home Children" on this site:

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/index-e.html

The same site has attestation papers for soldiers of WW1.