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Is anyone able to access the residents of the Union Workhouse in Worcester for 1901. I am looking for Kate Dyer who died there in 1904. Ditto 1891 as I think she may have been resident then. Thanks
Ann

Will have to go out shortly so if anyone replies please understand if I don't get back to you for a while.

This is the Ancestry ref for the Worcester Union Workhouse in the 1901 census, Class: RG13; Piece: 2782; Folio: 108; Page: 10.
I just put in "worcester union" in keywords at bottom of search.

No Kate Dyer, Kate with any surname or Dyer with any first name showing on search.

There are 13 pages of names to search through, so haven't done this, if you don't have access to the image on ancestry let me know and when I get a chance I'll have a look for you.

Helen

Have had a scan through the 13 pages and can't find a Kate or Katherine with a surname that looks anything like Dyer.

The Worcester Union workhouse in Worcester was at Tallow Hill, it later became Shrub Hill Maternity Hospital.

Records relating to the workhouse are held by Worcester Record Office, County Hall, Spetchley Road, Worcester. WR5 2NP
http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/records/

They may be able to help you with more information.

Helen

Many thanks Helen. I emailed Worcester Records Office yesterday and they have today told me that although they have many administrative records for the Workhouse they do not have any for the period 1890 to 1904 which is when we think Kate was in there. She died in there in 1904 and was not around in the 1891 census when her daughter was a year old, or the 1901 when she was 11.

Helen, I'm so sorry! It has just dawned on me that Kate was by then a Francis. She married John Francis but we cannot find out when. Have to go again now but will be back later - if you could bear to look again. Thanks

I don't have a subscription to Ancestry - I did try their 14 day free trial and found it very good but I had just renewed my Genes sub so couldn't really justify the extra cost.

Ann

when was she born?

where was she born?


what else do you know about her?


have you found the child?



sylvia

Hi Sylvia

I know a lot about Kate now, after a lot of searching. I am trying to find information about her stay in the Union Workhouse in Worcester which could have been from about 1890 until her death in 1904. Worcester Records Office tell me records from that time have not survived but I wondered if she might be listed on the 1901 census in the workhouse.
Helen gave me the details for Ancestry but unfortunately I do not have a subscription and I had stupidly given kate's maiden name when I asked for help originally.

Kate was born Kate Dyer in 1853 in Worcester to George and Mary Dyer, siblings George, Alice, Mary, Alfred, Annie and William. She married John Francis but I have been unable to find out when. She had a daughter, Dorothy Francis (my husband's grandmother) in c 1890 also in Worcester. Dorothy is shown living with her grandparents in 1891 and 1901 census. Kate died in the Union Workhouse in 1904 and at that time was shown as a widow.

Thanks

Ann.Do you think this is a possible for Kate in 1901?? I know her age is a bit out. I asked for Kate franc* b. 1853+/-5 yrs, Worcestershire

1901 Census

Name: Kate Francese <<<<<Francise on image
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Worcester, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Hucclecote
Ecclesiastical parish: Churchdown St Bartholomew
Town: Hucclecote
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Gloucester
Sub registration district: Barnwood

Robert Jackson 25 b. Scotland, Single, Farmer
Kate Francese 43 Widow, Housekeeper (Domestic)

Address:- Noke Court (???spelling)



sylvia

can't find anything on the 1891 census


sylvia

Sylvia - I don't really think it could be our Kate. We know she was baptised in 1853 (IGI). On her death certificate she was 52 in 1904. Have looked on IGI and there don't appear to be any Francise or Francese. Thank you for taking the time to look for me.

She and her daughter Dorothy haven't been easy to unravel, although I have a fair bit on Dorothy. It's the father of Dorothy's daughter (my husband's mother) who's going to be the real brickwall as we only have a surname and nothing else at all.

Ann

Hi Ann, Searched, page by page, 1901 Worcester General Infirmary & worcester Union Workhouse, nothing showing for Kate Francis/Frances or Dyer i'm afraid.

Thank you very much Netty

Edit: Have you found this information on Ancestry? Is there anything for 1891, please?

Yes Ann, i am looking at images on Ancestry, nothing found on images for Worcester General Infirmary, 1891. Sorry.

Edit: Nothing showing on images for 1891 Worcester Union Workhouse.

Thanks very much Netty - appreciate your help

Ann

it just seemed a bit too much of a coincidence .

........... her name could easily have been mis-spelled by the Head of the house, and she could have taken a few years off her age in order to get a job


just thoughts for you to consider

................. especially as she apparently is not present in the Workhouse after several of us (including me) have searched the records.

I tried the workhouse records for Kate, Franc*, and no name in case she was in there as initials only or under no name at all.


sylvia

Okay Sylvia - thank you. Will see what I can find, but I don't really know where to go next - or do I just file it as a possible?

Ann

I'd be tempted to file it as probable!


perhaps you could see if you can find John Francis' death .... she does say she's a widow on the 1901.

have you managed to get her death certificate? That might say how long she had been ill, or in the Workhouse.

Don't forget that workhouses often had the only hospitals as well ................ so people might die in the hospital part, but it would be registered as the workhouse.


see if you can if the workhouse records are held anywhere, and whether you can get access to them ..... this would tell you when she was admitted.



sylvia

Hi Sylvia

I am waiting for a death certificate for a John Francis but I won't know if it is the right one until I see it - maybe not even then!

Dorothy's death certificate shows she died of dropsy in the workhouse. Have tried (through Worcester Records Office) to obtain details of her stay in the workhouse but have been advised that no records exist for the period 1890 to 1904 which is when she could have been in there. She was shown as a widow on her death certificate in 1904 which was registered by the Master of the workhouse.

Will await John Francis's death certificate which should be sent out today.

Ann

Hi Sylvia

Have run off the 1901 census and can now see your thinking. Have googled Noke Court which comes up under British History Online. Will keep all this info as probable as you suggest. Kate Francise is shown as being born in Worcester, Worcestershire.

Ann

Edit: No Kate Francise shown on 1881 or 1891. There are various other Francise but none from around Worcester or shown in Gloucester.

Ann


I also couldn't find a suitable Kate Francise on any other census!

It will be interesting to see what the death certificate says.



sylvia