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I am trying to find information on my grandmother Hannah Worthington. She used to say she was born in 1870 which is more or less confirmed by her marriage cert, and 1901 census, but the record of her death in 1945 says she was 82, which puts her date of birth as 1864. She was born in Burscough and her father is said to be an agricultural labourer (deceased) on her marriage cert. of May 1896 and her age is given as 26. The GRO, Orkskirk , Preston and Southport registries have no record of her birth in 1870. There is a Hannah Worthington born in Burscough in 1964 but her father was a boatman. As I don`t know her mother`s name I cannot verify either of these Richard Worthingtons as her father nor whether I have the right Hannah in the records. CAN ANYONE PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME. Thank you. Evaline Russell

does the marriage cert witnesses give any clues ie a sibling or parent names

ORMSKIRK REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Lancashire.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Sub-districts : Aughton; Bickerstaffe; Formby; Halsall; Lathom; North Meols; Ormskirk; Scarisbrick; Southport; Skelmersdale; Skelmersdale & Holland; Tarleton.
GRO volumes : XXI (1837-51); 8b (1852-1946); 10F (1946-74).

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found this 1881 census

Richard WORTHINGTON Household
Male

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Other Information:
Birth Year
Birthplace Tarleton, Lancashire, England
Age 62
Occupation Farmer Of 16 Acres Employing 1 Labourer
Marital Status W
Head of Household Richard WORTHINGTON
Relation Head
Disability

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Source Information:
Dwelling Abbey Farm
Census Place Scarisbrick, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341898
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3754 / 79
Page Number 1



born 1819

I beleive this Richard is the same one married to Margery Gobbin
he is the only one on the census and i think he went back to farming after the being the boat man he has lost the family

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Deaths Sep 1877 (>99%)
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WORTHINGTON Margery 78 Ormskirk 8b 487

Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
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Peet Hugh Ormskirk 8b 1302
RIMMER Jane Ormskirk 8b 1302
Wareing Jeffrey Ormskirk 8b 1302
Worthington Hannah Ormskirk 8b 1302


Is this Hannas Marriage

Maybe she adjusted her age on her marriage if there was a big difference with her husbands age.but this was later corrected in her death cert. I cant think someone would be 6 years out with a death age if the informant was a relation.
I cant see the family on later than the 1871 census,but Richard was in his 50,s then so most possibly deceased by the time she married. She may have been mistaken in his occupation or he changed it before he died

found this death for Richard
Deaths Jun 1890 (>99%)
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Worthington Richard 71 Ormskirk 8b 558

Deaths Dec 1875 (>99%)
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WORTHINGTON Richard 57 Ormskirk 8b 485


this is the death you said about Gillian
but going by the 1861 vessel trip age 50 up to !875 he would have been 64 years old


sorry i am not convinced with the census

also where is richard aged 2 in 1861 he would have been 12 in 1871 his not there

Euxton does exist ,It is in chorley Cheshire

i have looked it up on the Map



On the 1871 census I think it should say Margaret for his wife and not Margarey their is no Marriage for that name

so she was born 1864 the same place as her father in Ormskirk her Father Richard born c 1819 was married there also in 1845 aged about 26 years and died 1890 aged 71 making his birth year c 1819

this is what i think and that he married one of the women in the marriage i found , It is possible he married twice as there is a large gap between her birth and his marriage Maybe he married a Margaret the second time


Samuel born 1847 and Margaret born 1849 Ann born 1850 could have been born from his first wife

june 1850

Worthington Ann Ormskirk 21 691



Births Jun 1847 (>99%)
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Worthington Samuel Ormskirk 21 643




Births Sep 1849 (>99%)
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WORTHINGTON Margaret Ormskirk 21 553




june 1861
WORTHINGTON Ellen Ormskirk 8b 585




Births Mar 1864 (>99%)
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WORTHINGTON Hannah Ormskirk 8b 683
there was no birth for Esther so it must have been hannah on the census




dec 1864

Worthington John Ormskirk 8b 662





Births Dec 1867 (>99%)
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Worthington Jane Ormskirk 8b 7





not sure on this one

Births Sep 1869
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WORTHINGTON Richard Leigh 8c 209


The district Leigh spans the boundaries of the counties of Greater Manchester and Lancashire

there must be 2 familys around that time does it say where Richard was born?

the marriage i found was sept 1845

in ormskirk Hannah was born in the same district

Births Jun 1864 (>99%)
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WORTHINGTON Esther Ormskirk 8b 681
the grand daughter

Gillian found this
euxton Marriages Sep 1867 (>99%)
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CHARNOCK John Chorley 8e 647
COWELL Mary Ann Chorley 8e 647
SIDLEY Mary Alice Chorley 8e 647
Worthington Richard Chorley 8e 647



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Births Dec 1865 (>99%)
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Worthington Hannah Chorley 8e 352


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CHORLEY REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Lancashire.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Sub-districts : Brindle; Chorley; Croston; Leyland; Rivington; Withnell.
GRO volumes : XXI (1837-51); 8e (1852-1946); 10C (1946-74).


Euxton
LAN
1837
1974



the hannah you were on about at the start

There are 2 Richards in one of the census, I think it was 1891, one was a farm owner, which I think may have been the grandfather and the son was also an agricultural lavourer, and I think he might have been the father. One was 53 and the other 17 in the census. In the same census the boatman Richard also turns up aged 58. The Ellen Worthington is her daughter and she is on the 1901 census.

Remember that the only thing that is accurate on a death certificate is the date and the cause of death!

Oh, and possibly the name of the informant!

Everything else on there has been provided by the informant, who may or may not be a relation, but in any case who only knows what he/she has been told by the deceased person!

sylvia

Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
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Peet Hugh Ormskirk 8b 1302
RIMMER Jane Ormskirk 8b 1302
Wareing Jeffrey Ormskirk 8b 1302
Worthington Hannah Ormskirk 8b 1302

hannahs marriage

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Births Mar 1871 (>99%)
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WAREING Jeffrey Ben Ormskirk 8b 720

i think this is his birth 4yrs older than the cert;;; the next birth is 1880 too young he would have been 16

BUT there are these births too


Births Mar 1862 (>99%)
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WAREING Jeffrey Ormskirk 8b 623

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Births Jun 1862 (>99%)
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WAREING Jeffrey Ormskirk 8b 602

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Births Mar 1863 (>99%)
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WAREING Jeffrey Ormskirk 8b 628

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Births Jun 1863 (>99%)
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WAREING Jeffrey Ormskirk 8b 637

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Births Sep 1869 (>99%)
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Wareing Jeffrey Ormskirk 8b 660
Wareing Jeffrey Ben Ormskirk 8b 651

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Births Mar 1871 (>99%)
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WAREING Jeffrey Ben Ormskirk 8b 720


When did Jeffrey die???????

I confess to being totally confused now -I am content to rule out the Hannah in Euxton and apologies for my poor geography but I thought I would set out each census as I found it to have a continuous pattern to consider
1841 Burscough
Richard Worthington 20 Ag Lab
Margaret Worthington 18
(On the same page is a John Worthington 40 Boatman and his wife Jane 35 - possible Richards father from whom he inherited or took over the boat in 1851)
1851Wigan
Richard Worthington 37 Boatman b Burscough
Margaret 30 b Scarisbrick
Richard 9 b Scarisbrick
William 7 b Scarisbrick
Samuel 3 b Scarisbrick
Ann 5 b Wigan
Margaret 1 b Wigan

1861 Vessel "Trio" Leeds /Liverpool Canal
Richard Worthington 50 Captain b Ormskirk
Margery 45 b Scarisbrick
Ann 14 b Wigan
Margret 11 b Burscough
John 6 b Burscough
Jane 4 b Burscough
Richard 2 b Liverpool

1871 Litherland
Richard Worthington 58 Boatman b Burscough
Margery Worthington 53 b Scarisbrick
Samuel 21
Margaret 19
Esther 7
Hannah 7
Ellen 9

Is there not a possibility that Margaret/Margery is just an alternative form of the name and the same person? Same birthplace throughout and tho the ages fluctuate so do Richards and the childrens -which is not uncommon -in an age of illiteracy the forms were often completed by clerks on guesswork

I have also checked the other Richard mentioned (the farmer ) and he was widowed by 1861 and remained so to 1881 so could not be the (legitimate )father of Hannah