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we have Hannahs marriage 1896 father Richard
she had a daughter Ellen born Dec Qtr 1887 8b 821 tarlerton Ormskirk
In 1891 she was boardered out with the Abram family when she was 3 years old
Cecily age 69
william age 70
Ruth age 10
I assume while Hannah worked as a servant.
in 1891 she was a servant
says she was born about 1869 very unsure
in Ormskirk parish North Meols
st cuthbert gives her age as 22
Jeffrey Wareing
1901 age 25 born about 1876 unsure again
head of household born in southport crossens st John Ormskirk Agr/lab


the more i study this family the more i think it is Hannah in 1864 I think the only way you will be sure is to get the cert; of her birth,the ages are all over the place she is the only Hannah born Ormskirk


1n 1891 age 22 born 1869
in 1901 age 32 born 1870
in 1896 age 26 born 1870

but can't find any births apart from 1864 to fit the bill

I think the only way I am going to get an accurate date of birth is to go to the church records as none of that family, ie my mother or 2 aunts are in the bmd records for births. They may be in the Methodist church records, but I dont know who to contact. Does anyone know who can help me please. I appreciate everyones help but I`m just going over the same info. Thanks very much for your help so far.
Evaline

Births Dec 1887 (>99%)
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Worthington Ellen Ormskirk 8b 821



Hannah would have been 22/23 years of age when ellen was born
i really think 1864 is her


Her marriage cert; should have said age 31 years ,this would have
given her a birth year about 1864/1865

I agree with Nerine that despite the differences in ages( which are at least consistent in their variations from year to year and person to person!) that Hannah the Boatmans daughter is the only possible candidate -and by the time she died birth certs were required (if available) to be produced on notifying a death so her secret would have come to light
Margery died 1877 Sep Q Ormskirk and Richard died 1875 so she was free to alter her age when marrying

Evaline -you will not find births much later than 1920 on the Partial bmd on Ancestry but if you want us to look for you on the complete bmd give us the details -names dates and places

gill
would you be able to find a death of Hannah Wareing nee worthington Evaline says the death was 1965 if i recall,would they have her details.I was wondering if she had the right death cert.

Nerine
I think it was 1845 not 1865 that was given as Hannahs death year -but I have been through the complete BMD for 1845 and the first quarter of 1866 (to allow for the 6 weeks in which registration must be mad) and cant find her,And my eyes are going funny with squinting at the small print!
Evaline -you refer to a RECORD of Hannahs death -what exactly do you mean and can you provide all the details

Gillian here is the info you wanted
In the Genes Reunited or the Genealist site )I use both sites and am not sure which one I found it on) in the BDM June-September at the top of the page it has 279 on the right hand side it has WAR.
In the second column under Wareing third one down it says Wareing Hannah 82 Souithport 8b 662. Its difficult to find if you dont press the zoom butter on the top first. I think my cousin who lived with her said she was PROBABLY ABOUT 82 when she died and that the registry looked up the birth and like everyone else could only find the 1864 record and took that as being her not realizing there was another Hannah Worthington in Burscough born at the same time. By coincidence both their fathers were Richard but one was a boatman and the other was a farm owner. Both Richards came up together on the same census, I cannt remember which one, so they cannt be the same person who changed his occupation/
Ev

Gillian, the death was in 1845. Sorry it was Nerine thar asked the question not
gillian sorry
Ev

Neine
On the census I referred to where both Richards boatman and farmer were listed Richard farmer was 53 and son 17. I think it is the son who is Hannahs father. The genealogist records for Lancashire 1871 census. This would mean he had Hannah when he was 16 or 17 depending on what month he was born and what month the census was taken.

Marriages Sep 1845 (>99%)
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ASHCROFT Richard Ormskirk 21 444
EDEN Ann Ormskirk 21 444
HARRISON Matthew Ormskirk 21 444
JONES Elizabeth Ormskirk 21 444
LEYLAND Thomas Ormskirk 21 444
TAYLOR Ellen Ormskirk 21 444
WORTHINGTON Richard Ormskirk 21 444
Yates Elizabeth Ormskirk 21 444

this is the marriage i put up at the start


Deaths Jun 1890 (>99%)
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Worthington Richard 71 Ormskirk 8b 558


if its his death the birth would be 1819
the marriage birth would be about 1818/19


this could be his sons birth

Births Jun 1854 (99%)
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WORTHINGTON Richard James Ormskirk 8b 549



but there are no hannahs born 1870/1871 on bdm in ormskirk


1841 Burscough
Richard Worthington 20 Ag Lab
Margaret Worthington 18
(On the same page is a John Worthington 40 Boatman and his wife Jane 35


1851Wigan
Richard Worthington 37 Boatman b Burscough
Margaret 30 b Scarisbrick
Richard 9 b Scarisbrick
William 7 b Scarisbrick
Samuel 3 b Scarisbrick
Ann 5 b Wigan
Margaret 1 b Wigan












richard the son of the boatman
Births Dec 1841
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WORTHINGTON Richard Ormskirk 21 506


The district Ormskirk is in the county of Lancashire


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possible marriage for richard 1841

Marriages Sep 1861 (>99%)
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Hart James Bolton 8c 366
OLDCROFT Mary Bolton 8c 366
QUINN Rachel Bolton 8c 366
Worthington Richard Bolton 8c 366

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Marriages Dec 1863 (>99%)
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Balshaw John Preston 8e 701
Blachl_y Margaret Preston 8e 701
Blackley Margaret Preston 8e 701
Chadwick Grace Preston 8e 701
Worthington Richard Preston 8e 701

0nly these marriages before 1864

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these two in 1864
Births Mar 1864 (>99%)
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WORTHINGTON Hannah Ormskirk 8b 683

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Births Dec 1864 (>99%)
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Worthington Hannah Chorley 8e 377

The marriage cert says born reg district Ornsmick and the Death Cert says the same If thats the same then maybe you have the wrong Hannahs Marriage and Death cert and it should be the Hannah in Chorley.

Marriages Sep 1844 (>99%)
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WORTHINGTON Richard Bolton 21 119
WORTHINGTON Richard Preston 21 490

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Marriages Sep 1845 (>99%)
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WORTHINGTON Richard Ormskirk 21 444

Marriages Sep 1844 (>99%)
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CRUMBLEHOME William Bolton 21 119
GIBBONS Margaret Bolton 21 119
GLEAVES Grace Bolton 21 119
LEVER James Bolton 21 119
RUTTER John Bolton 21 119
SLATER John Bolton 21 119
SUTCLIFFE Mary Bolton 21 119
WALTON Mary Bolton 21 119
WORTHINGTON Richard Bolton 21 119

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Marriages Sep 1844 (>99%)
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GIBBIN John Preston 21 490
HEDNEY Francis Preston 21 490
NOBLET Agnes Preston 21 490
SHAW Nancy Preston 21 490
WALSMLEY Thomas Preston 21 490
WELSH Margaret Preston 21 490
WORDEN Ann Preston 21 490
WORTHINGTON Richard Preston 21 490

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Marriages Sep 1845 (>99%)
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ASHCROFT Richard Ormskirk 21 444
EDEN Ann Ormskirk 21 444
HARRISON Matthew Ormskirk 21 444
JONES Elizabeth Ormskirk 21 444
LEYLAND Thomas Ormskirk 21 444
TAYLOR Ellen Ormskirk 21 444
WORTHINGTON Richard Ormskirk 21 444
Yates Elizabeth Ormskirk 21 444

thinking of the Richard Agr/lab on 1841 census age 20
0ne 0f these could be his

possible Grand father of Hannah

don't think so this is the family 1851

Richard Worthington & Elizabeth Jones,
Children
Grace b1849
Alice b 1847
Richard b 1854
They were born in Burscough,Lancs

that richard would be too young unless hanna is born to them later

Richard was widowed 1861 census
Richard 1854 the famers son too young to father Hannah

ref /sent from my friend anneWell I've checked out Richard & Rachel - No Hannah
Couldn't find a Richard, with a wfe named Margaret or Grace but wondered if it was the one I printed out the other day, with a wife named Margery and they had misheard her name when writing the census, they do have a daughter named Hannah, that's the boatman!
Hannah born in Chorley her parents were Thomas & Elizabeth.It all seems to comes back to the same one again


So we can cross out the other Hanna 1864 Chorley

Neire. Do you know the Lancashire area at all as Chorley in a completely different area. All our family came from Crossens, Banks or Burscough which is part of Ormskirk. All registries were either in Ormskirk under Burscough or North Meols. Crossens came under North Meols too and some were registered in Southport. All registrations are now at the Preston Registry. I went to the Ormskirk Registry personnally as it is not far from where I live and they searched loads of alternatives for me. They even contacted Salford and Manchester but the fathers of them Hannah Worthingtons were not Richard.

By the way Cath where did you find that Ellen was boarded out to the Abrams as I asked George Abram and he says she didnt show on any of his families searches. He said she wasnr on the 1881 or 1901 searches she was with Hannah. I`ll look up the Chorley Hannah and see what her father`s name was but I`m sure that isnt the one as its the wrong area
Ev

To Cath and Nerine
Hannah wasnt related to the Preston Richard Worthington as I`ve already checked that out. I`m still convinced her father was the 17 Richard on the census that shows Richard senior as a farm owner and Richard junior as the son an agricultural labourer, which is what was on her marriage cer.
Ev

Hi
Checked out the Chorley Hannah. Her father was Thomas and mother Elizabeth. She had 3 siblings so that isnt the one as my Hannah was an only child. Ev

Hi.
Richard was born in Tarleton which would probably be registered in Ormskirk as its next door to Banks
Ev

ev Yes i know it was not the Hannah in Chorley Did you not read the message i put from my friend Anne we have been checking and have illiminated her and now we are certain of the Hannah in Ormskirk
I know Chorley is in a different part.


Ellen was found on ancestry 1891 census aged 3 yrs

Birth about 1888
Boarder
femaleTarleton lancashire England
Parish Tarlerton
Reg; Ormskirk
staying with
Ceciily Abram age 69
Ruth Abram 10
William Abram 70
Ellen Worthington 3

CENSUS 1891