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Hi Chris
still having troouble finding the Kirby folk on 1901 and 1891 census.
I can confirm the marriage to Ellen Connell as Dec Qtr 1890 Fulham 1a 582
also
Edith Ellen Kirby March Qtr 1896 Paddington 1a 29

I think you will have to bitr the bullet and invest in both these certs as the info contained will give us more info to work on.

Regards
Mary

Hi Mary,

Please could you see if Sarah Margaret Fletcher is on the 1891 or 1901 census.b.1874 Islington.
I think i may have found her on 1881 living in Hornsey St.Islington.(could have it wrong) Am waiting for certs on other Fletchers now!
Your help has been very rewarding to me.
Thankyou... Dorothy.

Hi Mary
Thanx for that it's a great help,I think I'll take your advice & order the certs will probably get back to you if that's ok Regards Chris

Hi Dorothy
1891 census Sarah M Parker age 18 Gen Dom serv In household of Owen family(Dairyman)
48 Cross St,Islington.

Just a coincidence?????

Let me know if you need more help after you get certs.

Regards
Mary

Mary,

They were certainly mixed, but I have worked out who and what.

Could you possibly do another lookup?

1861.

Caroline Sturt born 1844. Middelsex

Many Thanks!

Hi Vera

1861 3 French Alley,Whitecross St,St Luke,Middx
William Backe Head 32 Widr Plasterer b Dublin
Maria Backe Daur 20 b St Luke
Bridget Backe Daur 19 b St Luke
Ellen Backe Daur 12 b St Luke
Thomas Backe Son 9 b St Luke
Caroline Sturt Lodger 17 Worsted manufacturer b Shoreditch,Middx

Regards
Mary

Hi Mary
Re Kirby family
I have just realised that the Edith Ellen Kirby b Mar qtr 1896 Paddington V1a P29 would have been too young because I have her wedding cert where she is married to Robert Tanner 16th December 1911 Kensington she is aged 17,unless she lied about her age as we believe Robert did saying that he was 21 when he was probably 19/20
We think that she was already pregnant when she got married
Would it have been possible to lie about their ages?
Were there any more Edith Ellen Kirby's b1894/5?
Would you mind taking another look for me
Thanx a lot Chris

Hi Chris
I have checked the full BMD index on find my relatives and can find no others with that name born 1894/5.
It is highly likely that she lied about her age,it was common practise,especially when the bride was pregnant.No proof of age was required and the registrar would have entered the age she gave.

What does the marriage cert give for her father's name and occupation??

Regards
Mary

Hi Mary
Edith Ellen Kirbys Father was Joseph Kirby occupation chimney sweep
Thanx Chris

Hi Chris
I have had another look for the Kirby family on 1901,but still nothing.

Sorry
Mary

Thanx for trying Mary will get back to you as soon as I get cert
Regards Chris

Hello Mary,
Thank you for your kind offer.

Could you please look up Sarah A Smith born 1862 Bermondsey, living in Camberwell 1901.

I'd like to know who else is living with her and occupations if possible (unless it's a workhouse!).

Kind regards
Annette

Mary,

I wonder if you can find in the 1901 census the following:

John Richard FLETCHER dob c 1896 possibly in Breconshire. His father and mother were Joseph and Elizabeth (nee Gardner) and I believe he had a sister Janet and a brother Fred.

I am particularly interested in the places of birth for the various family members but would be grateful for anything you can find,

Cheers

Ivor

Hi Annette
Phew,not in the workhouse!!

3 Odell St,St George,Camberwell,London
John H Smith Head 43 Laundreyman b Hull Yorks census shows him as Blind
Sarah A Smith Sister 39 Laundress b Bermondsey
Rose E Smith Sister 31 Baking powder packer b Bermondsey

Regards
Mary

Many many thanks for that Mary.
Annette

Hello Ivor
At the moment I cannot find the Fletcher family in either England or Wales.
I have searched the Full BMD index and cannot find a birth for John Richard Fletcher 1893 to 1897 apart from this one John Richard Fletcher June Qtr 1894 Clun 6a 515.
Do you have the marriage for Joseph/Elizabeth.
Do you know when Janet and Fred were born and where??
Any snippet may help,as I am really struggling to find them.

Mary

Hello Mary,

Well you did it again..........thanks!

Would it be possible to take another look in:
1861 census please. You looked before I know, maybe there is a mistranscription.

Sturt, Isaac 1817.
Mary, wife.
Isaac 14
John 12
Henry10
William 7

It is possible that Mary was already deseased.

Many Thanks,
Vera.

Hi Mary,
Back again!...with Sarah M Fletcher.b 1874.Islington.
Please can you look her up on 1881 census as i only found Hornsey St and would like to know who is with her. Thankyou for your help with 1891... yes was a bit of a coincidence !!
Regards
Dorothy

Mary,

Thanks very much for your efforts so far. The John Richard F birth in Clun could be right and this is followed by a marriage in 1899 between a Joseph Fletcher and Elizabeth Gardener also in Clun, so may be the family are in Clun, Shropshire in 1901. I believe sister Janet retained her mother's maiden name (GARDENER) maybe indicating that she was born (like John R) before the parents married. This is all conjecture at the moment and maybe copies of the birth and marriage certs are needed........

Cheers and thanks

Ivor

Hi Vera
Sorry not much to report.I have tried all the tricks I have learned over the years to find the Sturt family in 1861.I went back to 1851 census and did an address search on findmypast but theyu were not there.
I have searched 1861 on both Ancestry and findmy past but just cannot locate them,however here are some more snippets you may not have.

Caroline Sturt death registered June Qtr 1860 West London 1c 43

Isaac Sturt/Caroline O'Brien March Qtr 1843 London 2 80

Isaac Sturt age 72 death registered Dec Qtr 1889
Islington 1b 160

Sorry not to be more positive.

Mary