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Many of you kind members have been helping me gain information on my great grandmother Elizabeth Sutherland and great grandfather Henry Edward Wilkens. I am waiting to receive ther marriage certificate before I can go any further.
In the meantime I trying to find information on Henry's father. I only have a little information on him and I am hoping this is enough to make a start.
THOMAS WILKENS
married a lady called ELIZABETH.(dont know her sirname)
LIVED IN LONDON
Thomas was a BARBER.(this was confirmed from his sons naval records.It was noted that henry had a scar on his neck as a result of a hairdressers cut)

I was thinking that as HENRY was born in 1871 that his father would have been born about 20 years before. I looked on the cencus records between 1851-1852 but have not been able to find anything so far.
Any help would be great. Thankyou
Dionne

You need to find the family together on a census.

1881 is completely free on www.familysearch.org

When you find the family, you will have the details of where and when each of them was born.............the search for a marriage will be easier once you have those details.

You do realise, I hope, that you can search for bmd info on the freebmd website???

Reg

Hi Dionne

Could this be the family here?

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Thomas WILKINS Head M Male 38 Cubbington, Warwick, England Ag Lab
Selina WILKINS Wife M Female 36 Birm, Warwick, England
John WILKINS Son Male 17 Birm, Warwick, England Ag Lab
William WILKINS Son Male 14 Birm, Warwick, England Ag Lab
Henry WILKINS Son Male 10 Birm, Warwick, England Scholar

I Know the names of the parents are different to those you stated but Frederick the father is a hair dresser. This being the 1881 census

Frederick Wilkins
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A. E.
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Anne Soho
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 33a Dean St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Hairdresser

Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: St Anne Soho
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Wilkins 39
Frederick J. Wilkins 14
Henry E. Wilkins 9
Mary A. E. Wilkins 34
Rose S. Wilkins 2

Thanyou Reggie yes I did know that.

Kaz although there are some names in this household that are familier it is not the family the sirname is spelt WILKENS and I do know he married an ELIZABETH.
Thankyou for looking anyway.
Dionne

It seems I have hit a stumbling block with Thomas and Elizabeth.
Shirley bless her has been trying her hardest to help. But we cannot find a Thomas or Elizabeth listed . The parents names are correct as they are listed as Henry's parents on his memorial record.I have copied this at the bottom of this posting.
Thankyou
Dionne

Name: WILKENS, HENRY EDWARD
Initials: H E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Leading Seaman
Regiment/Service: Royal Navy
Unit Text: RFR/CH/B/608). H.M.S. "Cressy."
Age: 42
Date of Death: 22/09/1914
Service No: 144292
Additional information: Son of Thomas and Elizabeth Wilkens, of Soho, London; husband of Elizabeth Amelia Wilkens, of 40, White St., Southall, Middx. Served in the South African War.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 1.
Memorial: CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL

Dionne

Please don't discount the family which Diane found - there is this marriage:

Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%)
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Fish Elizabeth Marylebone 1a 903
Green Henry Marylebone 1a 903
James Mary Ann Elizabeth Marylebone 1a 903
Wilkens Frederick Thomas Marylebone 1a 903

Note the middle names of Elizabeth & Thomas.

Angela

Hi Angela.
I can understand where you are coming from now.
Diane I was very interested in your message. Things looked very similar.I saw a henry E Wilkins aged 9 and he was born in 1871 so his age would have been correct when the cencus was done.Thomas was a hairdresser as listed and I think they did live in soho. It all adds up but I was worried about the spelling of the sirname as the wilkens you found was with an i rather then an e.
Do you think whoever wrote the record could have made a mistake and was it common in those days to call yourselves by your middle name?
Thankyou

Hi Angela.
I can understand where you are coming from now.
Diane I was very interested in your message. Things looked very similar.I saw a henry E Wilkins aged 9 and he was born in 1871 so his age would have been correct when the cencus was done.Thomas was a hairdresser as listed and I think they did live in soho. It all adds up but I was worried about the spelling of the sirname as the wilkens you found was with an i rather then an e.
Do you think whoever wrote the record could have made a mistake and was it common in those days to call yourselves by your middle name?
Thankyou

Dionne

Henry was born 1872 not 1871 As per his navy records and the Birth ref i found for Mar qtr 1872 .

However this one looks a strong possibilty, census enumerators would spell a name how they thought it was spelt.and errors often occurred.
this does tie with that marriage where frederick is Wilkens

Shirley

Thankyou Shirley.

I am going to purchase the marriage certificate for Thomas and Elizabeth.
Thankyou Angela for finding out that information for me.
Dionne

Dionne

Please let us know the outcome :-)

Angela

Hello All.

An update for you all.I am still waiting on the marriage certificate for henry and Elizabeth but I have received the marriage certificate for Henry's parents. Frederick Thomas Wilkens and Mary Ann Elizabeth James.
They were married on the 13th Dec 1865 in the parish of Marylebone,London,Middlesex

Mary Anns father was John James and he was a tailor.

Fredericks father was William?(writting hard to read on 1st name) Arnold Wilkens. He was also a tailor.

Im glad that I got this certificate because I thought Fredericks father was named Thomas so I have gone in the totally wrong direction.

SO you know what I am going to ask now dont you?lol Information on Fredericks father.So far I havenot found anything.
Thankyou
Dionne

You know what I am going to ask now dont you?lol. Trying to find William on the cencus now.

Bump...

Can anyone help?
Thankyou
Dionne

Hi Dionne
Found this on the IGI if of any help

FREDERICK THOMAS WILKENS Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth: 13 SEP 1840

Christening: 29 JUN 1854 St Sepulchre, London, London, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM ARNOLD WILKENS Family
Mother: JANE WILLIAMS


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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Found William Arnold!

Willm Arnold Wilkins
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Andrew Holborn (Above The Bars)
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: tailor's foreman

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: St Andrew Western
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Weston 35
Charles Christian Wilkens 4
Emily Darviett Wilkens 3
Infant Wilkens 1
George Wilkins 7
Jane Wilkins 31
William Edwd Wilkins 5
Willm Arnold Wilkins 29

possible for Jane in 1851 listed as widow

Jane Wilkins
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Ramsgate
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Ramsgate
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Thanet
Sub-registration district: Ramsgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 3p
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 10
Household Members: Name Age
Anna Maria Hart 28
Eliza Hope 29 lodging house keeper
Jane Hope 27
Jane Wilkins 40

Diane

Thankyou so much for that information.I can now sort out the rest of the tree for my mother.it took ages for the marriage certificate to turn up so that I could find out that William was Fredericks father. But I noted that Frederick Thomas isnt showing up on the cencus yet with family members. But he was born in 1842.
thanks
Dionne

Henry's marriage

Henry Edward Wilkens
Year of Registration: 1903
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 706

He's indexed twice - once as above the other as Wilkins

Only female given Elizabeth Amelia Rossi which will be correct

Andy

Hi Andy.

Thankyou for the information.I had this a few weeks ago and ordered the marriage certificate.
Thanks again
Dionne