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Just checked IGI again -couldn`t find her but she`s on 1881 census -her name seems to be spelt HARRIETT. Thanks, Rosalyn

ROSALYN This is only 1 on 1861 b:c1857 ADDRESS:30 ??? Square.Hackney road. Bethnal Green Middlesex Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship William Hicks abt 1823 Holborn, Middlesex, England Head.OCC:House Painter Mary Hicks abt 1828 Galway, Ireland Wife William Hicks abt 1854 Lambeth, Surrey, England Son Marianne Hicks abt 1856 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Daughter >>>Harriett Hicks abt 1858 Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Daughter Elizabeth Hicks abt 1861 1 Month old. Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Daughter Civil parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiatical parish: St Peter County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Source information: RG9/252 Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Hackney Road ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Folio: 141 Page: 38 I hope this is her? Lesley :~)

Hi Lesley, thanks so much for the info, sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but I've had a house full all weekend. Thanks again, Tina

Hi Lesley could you be so kind as to look up a Peter Joynson Born around 1853/4 cheshire, i know he had a brother called Fredrick who was born around 1870/1, Peter he married a Elizaberth, grateful for any leads Thanks Lesley (good name)

LESLEY lol I agree... I think this is Peters birth Name: JOYNSON, Peter Record Type: Births Quarter: September Year: 1853 District: Northwich County: Cheshire Volume: 8a Page: __ ******************* This is Peter with his Parents & Siblings. in 1861 ADDRESS:??? Lane. Weaver Cheshire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship William Joynson abt 1825 Stanlow, Cheshire, England Head.OCC:Salt Maker Ellen Joynson abt 1829 Northwood, Cheshire, England Wife >>>Peter Joynson abt 1854 Weaver, Cheshire, England Son William Joynson abt 1856 Weaver, Cheshire, England Son Thomas Joynson abt 1857 Weaver, Cheshire, England Son George Joynson abt 1860 Weaver, Cheshire, England Son Civil parish: Weaver Ecclesiatical parish: Chester Town: Chester County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Source information: RG9/2605 Registration district: Northwich Sub-registration district: Over ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Folio: 99 Page: 28 *************************** This is Family in 1871 ADDRESS:??? Lane. Weaver Cheshire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship William Joynson abt 1824 Over, Cheshire, England Head.OCC:Salt Maker. Ellen Joynson abt 1827 Anderley, Shropshire, England Wife Peter Joynson abt 1854 Weaver, Cheshire, England Son OCC:Labourer George Joynson abt 1860 Weaver, Cheshire, England Son Ellen Joynson abt 1863 Weaver, Cheshire, England Daughter John Joynson abt 1865 Weaver, Cheshire, England Son Henry Joynson abt 1868 Weaver, Cheshire, England Son Fredrick Joynson abt 1870 Age 3 Months old. Weaver, Cheshire, England Son Civil Parish or Township: Weaver Ecclesiastical parish: Middlewich Town: Weaver County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Source information: RG10/3698 Registration district: Northwich Sub-registration district: Over ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Folio: 130 Page: 20 Be back in a mo with more Lesley :~)

LESLEY This is the only Peter in 1881 b:c1853. I think this is Peter in 1881 Lodging with this family. ADDRESS:3 Charles St, Openshaw, Lancashire, England Thomas Allen abt 1848 Helstonfield, Staffordshire, England Head OCC:carter. Mary Ann Allen abt 1844 Broadwindsor, Dorset, England Wife >>>Peter Joynson abt 1854 Swanderlane, Cheshire, England Lodger OCC:Carter.Unmarried. Source information: RG11/3907 Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Ardwick ED, institution, or vessel: 62 Folio: 91 Page: 30 ******************************* This is Peter in 1891 with His Wife ADDRESS:Openshaw Lancashire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Joynson, Peter abt 1854 Weaver, Cheshire, England Head OCC:Carter Joynson, Elizabeth abt 1853 Stockport, Cheshire, England Wife Civil parish: Openshaw Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Town: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Source information: RG12/3177 Registration district: Chorlton Sub registration district: Ardwick ED, institution, or vessel: 74 Folio: 56 Page: 10 ******************************* This is Peter With His Wife.1901 & Also His brother Fredrick & His family Living with them. ADDRESS:3 Charles Street. South Manchester Lancashire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship >>>Peter Joynson abt 1854 Weaver, Cheshire, England Head OCC:Carter In Iron Works. Elizabeth Joynson abt 1854 Stockport, Cheshire, England Wife >>>Frederick Joynson abt 1871 Weaver, Cheshire, England Brother.OCC:labourer in Works Mill. Susanah Joynson abt 1876 Ardwick, Lancashire, England Wife Elizabeth Joynson abt 1897 Openshaw, Lancashire, England Niece Peter Joynson abt 1899 Openshaw, Lancashire, England Nephew Civil parish: South Manchester Ecclesiatical parish: Openshaw St Barnabas and St Luke County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Source information: RG13/3679 Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Ardwick ED, institution, or vessel: 41 Folio: 126 Page: 25 Hope this is ok for you Lesley :~)

DIANE I found Martha Jane's Birth in 1859 and this is the only Marriage showing for that name But Husband is wrong. I searched 1878+/-10 yrs Name Year Quarter Record Type District County 1888 December Marriages Bedwelty Monmouthshire Name: HOPKINS, Martha Jane Name: JENKINS, Gwilym There are loads of John Morgans married in Bedwelty too many to search through Im sorry... It would take hours to search through all John Morgans Lesley :~(

Right im off too bed now Goodnight I will continue with searches tomorrow lesley :~)

Hi Lesley Thanks for the info its now 01.04am and im feeling very sleepy, i got carried away with researching, i will look through them later 2 day, once again thanks Lesley

Thank you very much - looks correct. Rosalyn

Could I ask you for another look-up please-the same Harriett in 1871, I have her on 1881 married to Charles Davis living in Ealing, Middlesex with baby Henry, 2 months old.Thank you for your help, Rosalyn

ROSALYN This is Harriet with Parents & Siblings 1871 ADDRESS:27 Hackstone Road. Hackney St John London Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Willm Hicks abt 1823 Holborn Head OCC:House Painter Mary Hicks abt 1828 Suam Galway, Ireland Wife W Hicks abt 1854 Lambeth Son OCC:Clerk. Mary A Hicks abt 1856 Clerkenwell Daughter >>>Harriet Hicks abt 1858 Shoreditch Daughter Elizth Hicks abt 1861 Shoreditch Daughter John Hicks abt 1867 Shoreditch Son Civil Parish or Township: Hackney St John Ecclesiastical parish: Dalston St Phillip County/Island: London Country: England Source information: RG10/323 Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: West Hackney ED, institution, or vessel: 15b Folio: 101 Page: 24 Lesley :~)

LESLEY This is Peter's Marriage Name: Owen, Elizabeth OR Name: Pilkington, Elizabeth Ann Name: Joynson, Peter Record Type: Marriages Quarter: June Year: 1882 District: Chorlton County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 1038 CHORLTON Created 1st July 1837. Abolished 1st January 1925 (renamed Manchester South). Sub-districts : Ardwick; Barton; Chorlton upon Medlock; Didsbury; Hulme; Stretford. GRO volumes : XX (1837-51); 8c (1852-1924). Ardwick, Barton Moss (1837-49), Barton upon Irwell (1837-49), Burnage, Chorlton cum Hardy, Chorlton on Medlock, Davyhulme (1837-49), Didsbury, Flixton (1837-49), Gorton, Hulme, Irlam (1837-49), Levenshulme, Moss Side, >>>OPENSHAW<<<, Rusholme, Stretford (1837-49), Urmston (1837-49), West Gorton, Withington. Registers now divided between Manchester, Salford and Trafford districts This is Where he was in 1881 & 1891 Census. Lesley :~)

Thank you very much , Lesley-the story is coming together now. One more please -Harriett`s marriage to CHARLES DAVIS-must have been between 1876and 1888 I would guess in Middlesex. Thank you again , Rosalyn

Hi Lesley Please could you look up for a birth of a Norman Weddell,parents William Henry Weddell,Mary Anne ?.He possibly was born between 1901(not on census)and 1910.By 1927 he had a son Norman.They would have been born in newcastle upon tyne or a local town? Regards Dallas.

ROSALYN Here you go Name: Davis, Charles Henry R Name: Hicks, Harriett Record Type: Marriages Quarter: September Year: 1880 District: Kensington County: Greater London London Middlesex Volume: 1a Page: 4 Lesley :~)

DALLAS Is this him? Its the only one showing. Name: Weddell, Norman Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1903 District: Tynemouth County: Northumberland Volume: 10b Page: 337 Tynemouth Created 1st July 1837. Sub-districts : Blyth; Earsdon; Longbenton; North Shields; Tynemouth; Wallsend; Whitley GRO volumes : XXV (1837-51); 10b (1852-1930). Backworth, Bebside, Blyth, Burradon, Camperdown, Chirton, Cowpen, Cramlington, Cullercoats, Earsdon, East Hartford, Hartley, Holywell, Horton, Longbenton, Monkseaton, Murton, Newsham and South Blyth, North Shields, Preston, Seaton Delaval, Seghill, Tynemouth, Walker, Wallsend, Weetslade, West Hartford, Whitley, Willington, Willington Quay. Registers now divided between North Tyneside and Northumberland Central districts Lesley :~)

SI This is his Birth Name: Jackson, Thomas Record Type: Births Quarter: September Year: 1911 District: Grimsby County: Humberside Lincolnshire Volume: 7a Page: 1208 ******************* I think This is his fathers Birth?? Name: Jackson, Edgar Record Type: Births Quarter: December Year: 1874 District: Hull County: East Riding of Yorkshire Humberside Volume: 9d Page: 264 Lesley :~)

DIANE Have you got any idea who Johanna's Parents were please? To make the 1901 search a bit easier you would be surprised how many Johanna harringtons there were.... Lesley :~)

DIANE If I have found the right Johanna on 1881 then her Father Is Jeremiah b:Ireland & Mother Mary Ann b:Newport. Are they the right ones? Lesley :~)