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Ahh Thanxs LOUISE Here you go sorry but this is only 1 I can find Name: AYRES, Sarah Ann TO: Name: Alcock, Henry WILLIAM Record Type: Marriages Quarter: June Year: 1885 District: Docking County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 558a Docking Created 1st July 1837. Sub-districts : Burnham; Docking; Snettisham. GRO volumes : XIII (1837-51); 4b (1852-1930). Anmer, Bagthorpe, Barmer, Barwick, Bircham Newton, Bircham Tofts, Brancaster, Broomsthorpe, Burnham, Choseley, Dersingham, Docking, East Rudham, Fring, Great Bircham, >>>HEACHAM,<<< Holme next the Sea, Houghton, Hunstanton, Ingoldisthorpe, New Hunstanton, North Creake, Ringstead, Sedgeford, Shernborne, Snettisham, South Creake, Stanhoe, Syderstone, Thornham, Titchwell, Waterden, West Rudham. Registers now in King's Lynn district. *********************** Lesley :~(

Lovely Ta. Louise

Right I gotta go and pick my daughter up.. I will be back tomorrow to continue with searches Goodnight all Lesley :~)

Goodnight Lesley When you get a chance!! I wondered if you could look up on 1861 census for Charles and Sarah Deeming living in Handsworth Birmingham. Their daughter Eliza should be about 13 years old. Eliza married Henry Hollyoak in 1867 so I also would be grateful if you could see if these two are on the 1871 census. They also lived in Handsworth Birmingham and would be aged 23 and 24 years with a child Arthur b. 1868. many Thanks Kaz

Lesley Many thanks for looking up my John Boxall last Monday that marriage was the one so it does help further. Jan

KAZ Here is Charles & Sarah with Lots of Children 1861 ADDRESS:Booth Street. Handsworth Staffordshire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Charles Deeming abt 1809 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head OCC:Retail Brewer. Sarah Deeming abt 1815 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Wife Charles Deeming abt 1840 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Son.OCC:Brass Castor Joseph Deeming abt 1843 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Son OCC:Brass Castor. Sarah Deeming abt 1844 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter.OCC:Servant at Home. Eliza Deeming abt 1850 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter Scholar Amelia Deeming abt 1851 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter Scholar William Deeming abt 1853 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Son Scholar Susan Deeming abt 1857 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter Scholar. Civil parish: Handsworth Ecclesiatical parish: St James County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Source information: RG9/2019 Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: Handsworth ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 83 Page: 40 ********************* 1871 ADDRESS:Public House.Handsworth Staffordshire Same Family different Wife?& New son. Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Charles Deeming abt 1808 Coventry Head OCC:Publican. Ann Deeming abt 1838 Shipston on Stour Wife William Deeming abt 1852 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Son OCC:Carter. Susan Deeming abt 1856 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter Frank Deeming abt 1863 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Son Civil Parish or Township: Handsworth Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Source information: RG10/2969 Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: Handsworth ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Folio: 26 Page: 10 ***************************** 1881 ADDRESS:131 Booth St, Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Charles Deeming abt 1805 Coventry, Warwickshire, England Head OCC:Beer Retailer. Alice Deeming abt 1842 Shipton On Stour, Worcestershire, England Wife.OCC:Beer Retailers Assistant. Alice Nash abt 1869 Northamptonshire, England Granddaughter Annie Nash abt 1877 Northamptonshire, England Granddaughter Harriet Stansley abt 1866 Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England Servant OCC:General Domestic. Source information: RG11/2832 Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: Handsworth ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 80 Page: 11 **************************** Will go and look for Eliza and her Husband for you now Lesley :~)

KAZ I cant find either of them on 1871??? ************************************** Here is Eliza in 1881 ADDRESS:26 Back Brearley St, Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship >>>Eliza Jane Hollyoak abt 1849 Birm, Warwickshire, England Head.OCC:Charwoman.Widow. Arthur Hollyoak abt 1868 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Son Charles John Hollyoak abt 1872 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Son William Henry Hollyoak abt 1877 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Son Alice Maude Hollyoak abt 1880 7 Months old. Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter Civil parish: Handsworth County/Island: Staffordshire Source information: RG11/2832 Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: Handsworth ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Folio: 110 Page: 19 *************************** 1891 ADDRESS:Same as in 1881 .Handsworth Staffordshire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house >>>Hollyoak, Eliza abt 1847 B'ham, Warwickshire, England Head.OCC:Charwoman.Widow Hollyoak, Wm abt 1877 B'ham, Warwickshire, England Son OCC:Bolt Screwer. Hollyoak, Alice abt 1880 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter Hollyoak, Joseph abt 1883 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Son Hollyoak, Beatrice abt 1886 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter Civil parish: Handsworth Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Staffordshire Source information: RG12/2259 Registration district: West Bromwich Sub registration district: Handsworth ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Folio: 80 Page: 45 ********************************** Hope these help Lesley :~)

KAZ This might be Henry with his Parents & Sisters. 1861 ADDRESS:Booth Street. Handsworth Staffordshire Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship John Hollyoak abt 1822 Isle of Man, Isle of Man Head OCC:Boat Man. Elizabeth Hollyoak abt 1812 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Wife >>>Henry John Hollyoak abt 1849 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Son Elizabeth Isabella Hollyoak abt 1850 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter Ann Hollyoak abt 1852 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter Mary Jane Hollyoak abt 1853 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Daughter William Bastalle abt 1840 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England Boarder Civil parish: Handsworth Ecclesiatical parish: St James County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Source information: RG9/2019 Registration district: West Bromwich Sub-registration district: Handsworth ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 81 Page: 31 Lesley :~)

Glad I could help Jan If you need anything else just shout and I will take a look for you. Lesley :~)

Thanks so much Lesley for your time doing these look ups. Always knew there must be a publican of sorts in the family - thanks for the Deeming info I certainly have a lot to go on Ta! It is definitely Henry's family and I know Henry died in 1877. Its a shame they aren't on 1871 unless they were in cannock area where Henry died. Henry's father John says b Isle of Man but earlier census says worcs are the later ones more accurate? I'm not sure because 1881 says William b handsworth and I know he wasn't. Oh well it's a tricky busness this genealogy. Many thanks again Best wishes Kaz

KAZ I have done an open search for Henry 1871 and none were born similar yrs/place... As for birth places on Census's for different yrs...they regularly altered the place of birth...It is best to go by Occupation and other family members & follow them through the Census yrs that way.... Also they changed birth yrs aswell so you have to be careful when searching as they can change quite a bit from census to Census.. Have fun with all your new family members lol If you need anything else just shout me Lesley :~)

Does anybody need anything looking up? JUST SHOUT lol Lesley :~)

Evening Loopy Leslie! Can you look at the 1851/1841 census for me please? I'm looking for the Derry family in Staffordshire. Its really the father I'm after. On 1861 Phoebe Derry b1813 Dudley, Worc (widow) son John b1840 Job Mary A George Sarah Phoebe Clara b1855 All born in various places in Staffordshire. Ta very much Louise

LOUISE Im sorry but not got access to any 41/51 Census's Sorry lesley :~(

Derrr! Sorry silly me, getting carried away with your generousity. I'll see if theres another line I can hassle you with.....! No seriously you've been a real boon to me and my tree. Thank you

lol Louise Its ok sorry I cant help you this time Lesley :~)

Im sat Twiddling again lol TWIDDLE TWIDDLE Lesley :~)

Do you have MIDDLESEX CENSUS 1861? If you do could you look up HARRIET HICKS` family in Hackney-she would be 3. Thanks, Rosalyn

ROSALYN there are 2 Harriets in 1861 b:1857 Middlesex 1) father John... Mother Mary both born Wales...living Bromley Middlesex. 2) Father Joseph..Mother Mary both born kent living Shadwell Middlesex... Do you know which 1 it could be? I have done an open search For Harriet leaving surname off b:c1858 Hackney and none are showing with name similar to Hicks. Lesley :~)

Thanks, Lesley. I have her born 1858 in Hackney, Middlesexfrom IGI site I know not always accurate. Rosalyn