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Also couldn't Clifford and the mystery Thynne be part of the missing data? You know how some of the year quarters are missing?

bethany - ideas as to why i cant find them, i find slightly irritating - i'm trying to help you here and doing something that you could do perfectly well for yourself, and for free, .. i am well awre there are quaters missing and because i am STILL loking i might yet find Clifford. it isnt a mystery - just give me sometime EVA J.D. 11a 2455 J/A/Sept 1922

Jess I wasn't being funny with you at all! I'm really greatful!

gone to the end of 1927

You spotted Eva on my last reply? Will look again in the morning for the infamous Clifford ,,my eyes are tired now. PLEASE LEAVE THIS REQUEST ON UNTIL THE MORNING - please dont delete it Why dont you want to look yourself? it isnt hard!

I am looking myself. Yes I found Eva too. Quite a mystery as to where Clifford is as he's one of the only ones who I was sure existed! Thanks for your help Jess and it would be fantastic if you looked in the morning please. I'm going to pop into the city library some time this weekend or half term to see if they have the missing years and to try to locate Clifford. Thanks again, Beth

what missing years? I havent found any missing years! You'd be better off continuing to look onwards for Clifford

I mean the missing quarter years. I reckon she could have had babies from the marriage up until she was forty she certainly didn't hold back did she?! I won't delete it.

which quarters have you spotted as missing that she could concievably have given birth in?

I just realised she had Eva when she was 47! Poor woman. Quite a mystery eh?!

which quarters have you spotted as missing that she could concievably have given birth in?

I didn't note them. I'll go back and look through then post the reply. But the obvious ones from my notes are sometime between 1909 and 1912 (Corelli and Pearl). And 1913 - 1917 (Hannah and Gilbert) and 1917 - 1922 (Gilbert - Eva)

dont forget there was a war 1914> he may well have been called up,hence the gap. i checked every realistic quater , quarter by quarter for every year. ie a birth , then skip 9 months and start again

Ooooh yeah that's a good point. Gave poor old Martha a break if that's why! But in 1914 Corelli Sr was 39, so maybe not...he could still be called up then though right?

didnt stop him producing Eva in 1922 - how old was he then? they older they get, the less likely we are to find Clifford, anywhere but the Guiness book of records, what else do you know about him? where and when did he die?

In 1922 they were both 47 - a ripe old age! I think Clifford must have been born between 1909 and 1912 because there's a big gap and during that time they were both 36-39 which makes more sense than having another in their forties...they probably had to slow down because of infertility hence the gaps. I'm going to check if there's any quarterly gaps between 1909 and 1912.

There's no missing data between 1909 and 1912. Maybe Clifford was his middle name and we should be looking for a C initial?

Going to Bed! will look in the morning...like i said about half an hour ago! **Just seen your lat rply. we have found EVERY Thynn born HFWest. with the right MMN and noted them. there were no just C's or (anything) Clifford/ (anything) Clifford or we'd have found them leave it until the morning now jess > 1932 inc- so i dont forget

Thanks for your help Jess. Night.

Good idea but Corelli's middle name was James and he married Isabel Griffiths in the same year as Clifford married Violet Ryan. The marriage reg doesn't have his age and I don't own the certificate...suppose buying it would be the next step, but I would rather find it on here or at the library, there must be a way! Also, Corelli is a family name. Corelli James' grandad was Corelli William, so one of them was bound to be named Corelli...it still is a family name come to think of it!