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hello brenda, how are you? hope you ok. i really dont know if she married again, i couldnt say but you never know, all i know is she got married twice and died giving birth. no help am i. joanne

Is there any chance she may have married again? Also have you just looked for Gertrude P or Patricia G or without the initials added?

kath, no im not not next of kin as was just a week old at time of death but i have older sisters think!!!! yes on cert it says inquest held on 12th january 1973, sorry but what is an inquest exactly.? my dad died on his motor bike in an accident, ive looked also in newspaper sites. joanne

kath, iv changed her name about in as many ways as i can and still nothing and i dont know if she got married again, may well have, if so id have no idea who to. jo

Joanne An inquest is an inquiry about why something happened (in your dad's case, why the accident happened and if it was anyone's fault). If I were you I would get in touch with the nearest large library to where the death occured as they will have copies of the local newspapers from that time on film. I managed to get the newspaper report of my great grandfathers accident in which he died. Kath. x

Jo Anyone who doesn't die in the hospital/or suspicius circumstances has an inquest i think, i may be wrong i am sure someone will correct me if i am. Phone the Hospital where your dad died and ask for the local coroners office telephone number, they may be a bit more helpful. Especially as you have the date of the inquest etc I am looking to see if Gertrude married again. and please forgive my spelling it's late :o)

kathleen, thanx for explaining about inquest for me. i think i will go to the area and go in libeary and see if can find out anything, ive heard of something called microfiche something like that where they have stuff from newspapers for example on disc, do you know what i mean lol? im sure if i find it maybe it will say when and where funeral will be. joanne

kath, i emailed the hospital today so il see if they reply then il say bout coroner if not then i will ring them, maybe i should just ring them rather then wait for reply. thanx for looking for me and no prob bout spelling im just as bad lol joanne

You can also look in the death column in the local paper at the library for a couple of days after the death, as most people put a death notice in the paper and that usually gives the time and place of funeral, and often the name of the undertakers, who might be able to help with place of burial. Kath. x

brenda, is the info youve given me for my grandad frederick william coulstock? born in 1918 in croydon, my dad was also born in croydon and the death was in enfield for my grandad frederick william coulstock coz d.o.b says 4.12.1919! but thats spooky you know coz i live in enfield and his date of death is same day as my mums birthday and 2 days before mine, also died before i was born. thanx brenda for info, dont know what id do without you :) joanne

sorry brenda was the death regisrered in enfield?? maybe my nan was buried with him or him with her, who ever died 1st. joanne

kathleen, thanx i sure will do that, thanx for your help. joanne

Joanne If your father's death was in Welwyn Garden City and the coroner was in Hitchin, his death wouldn't be registered in Enfield. nell

Gertrude Patricia Herbert registered in Ware. Mothers name Smith. Registered March Quarter 1920. REF: 3a 1771 Gertrude P Herbert marriage to George Atkin. District Ware. June Quarter 1939. REF:3a 3051 Gertrude P Herbert/Atkin marriage to Frederick W Coulstock District Ware. December Quarter 1949. REF: 4b 399 Seems odd everything registered under Gertrude Patricia or Gertrude P for above documents. Cannot see why she does not show on deaths. Have you thought she may still be alive? Would be 86 now. Will see if I can find death or remarriage. Janice

helen, its my grandad iv just found out that was registered in enfield, lol its confusing isnt it coz my dad and grandad are both frederick coulstocks. jo

Janice I am already looking for another marriage so don't do that hun lol don't want to go over the same ground twice do we ;) Kath

Joanne's father was born to Frederick William Coulthard even though his mother was still married to Mr. Atkin at the time. Your maiden name is always your maiden name (if you mean on the birth certificate). Kath. x

At least from Janice's reply we now know that Gertrude did eventually marry Frederick William Coulstock, so that should be the name she died with (if she didn't marry a third time). I'm off to bed now. Will come back to this tomorrow so see how it's going. Been on this site nearly all day!!!!!!! Kath. x

Gertrude Patricia Herbert M. 1939 A-J Ware 3a 3051 George Atkin Gertrude P Atkin M.1949 O-D Ware 4b 399 Frederick W Coulstock Children of above marriages?? 1.Patrick G Atkin J-M 1941 Epping 4a 429 MMN = Herbert 2. Michael J Atkin J-M 1942 Ware 3a 1683 MMN = Herbert 3. Frederick T Coulstock 23/5/1943 Croydon - 1973 MMN = Herbert 4.Rosaline P Coulstock J-S 1944 Lambeth 1d 115 MMN = Herbert 5.Rita S Coulstock O-D 1945 Tonbridge 2a 1807a MMN = Herbert 6.Sally Coulstock O-D 1945 Tonbridge 2a 1807 MMN = Herbert 7. Jacqueline E Coulstock 1948 A-J Hertford 4b 171 MMN = Herbert 8. Colin A Coulstock 1949 J-S B.Stortford 4b 21 MMN = Herbert 9. Jennifer M Coulstock 1950 O-D B.Stortford 4b 37 MMN = Herbert 10.Robert A Coulstock O-D 1952 Basford 3c 31 MMN = Herbert why is your father born before your Grandparents married? why is she using maiden name of Herbert and not Atkin?? Jo these are just notes for me so don't have to keep writing on bits of paper, i am just thinking aloud mate Kath x

janice, hmmmmm maybe she is alive still, i wont believe everything im told by my mum coz she has lied a few times now about my dad, think its a case of dont want to bring up the past. joanne