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Jane ...my nan was born about 1881 she was 17 in 1898 according to her marriage certificate...so these wouldn't be right. I found Ettie and George on the 1901 in Sussex...think that it could be them...it says born in London Middlesex.I always thought that her name was just Hetty but grandad always called her Ett...could be even Harriet... I found a Harriet age 3 months on 1881 in Marylebone...seems to fit but still not sure...all a bit iffy....would you mind getting the info for her on 1891...just to check...thanks Sorry to take so long answering.I was off looking and didn't think that you would reply so soon. Thanks again for all your help Hetty

Hi Hetty there are these........ 1891 England Census Record Census View Image Name: Harriet Turner Father: William Birth: abt 1879 - Poplar, London, England Residence: 1891 - London, Poplar, London, England 1891 England Census Record Census View Image Name: Harriet Turner Father: William Birth: abt 1883 - St Luke, London, England Residence: 1891 - London, Shoreditch, London, England 1891 England Census Record Census View Image Name: Harriett Turner Father: William Birth: abt 1879 - Marylebone, London, England Residence: 1891 - St Marylebone, London, England does William give an occupation on her marriage certificate, that might narrow it down a bit more............

Jane thanks so much for your help. its such a headache...too many Turners to choose from and so little to go on... The marriage certificate says 1898 Hetty Turner..17.. married George Turner..19..[cousins]...in Marylebone. Hetty Turner's father is William a Cabwasher George Turner's father is George a Cabman..[deceased]...the father's were brothers. how confusing is that...hope it makes sense to you. sorry Im so slow getting back to you. ..thanks Hetty

Hetty, not none of them 3 then, occupations nothing like !! will keep looking....................... Jane

Thanks Jane...making you work hard aren't I.... My cousin did say that the family came from Somerset originaly.. Two Turner brothers married two sisters from Wales...I do not know if this is true. I can not find anything that fits all this and if it is true do not know what year it would be... will look in from time to time to check in case you find anything... thanks again.....night Hetty

Hetty right, decided to work backwards to look for William, to find what Hetty is called, but to do this have to find brother George 1st............ so assume you already have this 1 : 1881 Annie Turner Bromley, Middlesex, England Daughter Bromley St Leonard London Catherine Turner abt 1858 St George East, Middlesex, England Wife Bromley St Leonard London George Turner abt 1854 Yeldham, Essex, England Head Bromley St Leonard London CARMAN George Turner abt 1880 Mile End, Middlesex, England Son Bromley St Leonard London 1891 - FINALLY !! Annie G Turner abt 1881 Bromley, Middlesex, England Daughter West Ham Essex Arthur C Turner abt 1880 Upton, Essex, England Son West Ham Essex Catherine G Turner abt 1860 St George in the East, Middlesex, England Wife West Ham Essex Florence H Turner abt 1888 Upton, Essex, England Daughter West Ham Essex George Turner abt 1858 Parish Yeldham, Essex, England Head West Ham Essex George F Turner abt 1880 Mile End, Middlesex, England Son West Ham Essex Harriett M Turner abt 1883 Bromley, Middlesex, England Daughter West Ham Essex although Georges occupation is now piano forte wire maker !! good possibility for 1861, but no William yet :o(( Enna Turner abt 1858 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Daughter Little Yeldham Essex **George Turner abt 1854 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Son Little Yeldham Essex Jane Turner abt 1846 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Daughter Little Yeldham Essex Joseph Turner abt 1844 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Son Little Yeldham Essex Mary Ann Turner abt 1818 Great Bradley, Suffolk, England Wife Little Yeldham Essex Rhoda Turner abt 1848 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Daughter Little Yeldham Essex William Turner abt 1812 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Head Little Yeldham Essex still working on it....... 1851 Ann Turner abt 1817 Great Bradley, Suffolk, England Wife Little Yeldham Essex Charles Turner abt 1841 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Son Little Yeldham Essex Ellen Turner abt 1842 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Daughter Little Yeldham Essex Jane Turner abt 1846 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Daughter Little Yeldham Essex Joseph Turner abt 1844 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Son Little Yeldham Essex Rhoda Turner abt 1848 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Daughter Little Yeldham Essex William Turner abt 1812 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Head Little Yeldham Essex still no William ........ think only option is 1871 now !!! they are avoiding me ------- but going to have to pick it up again tomorrow now....... they are beginning to merge on the screen now, lol

Hetty no wonder i couldn't find the Turner family in 1871....... look.... Ann Swaner abt 1867 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Daughter Little Yeldham Essex Emma Swaner abt 1858 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Daughter Little Yeldham Essex George Swaner abt 1854 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Son Little Yeldham Essex Mary Ann Swaner abt 1823 Great Bradley, Suffolk, England Wife Little Yeldham Essex William Swaner abt 1822 Little Yeldham, Essex, England Head Little Yeldham Essex pmsl !!!! but no William with them aaaarrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhh

Hi Jane, Thanks for the offer - I'm looking for a 1841 Wales Census Record Census Name: Absalom Follant Birth: abt 1829 - Pembrokeshire, Wales Residence: 1841 - township, city, Pembrokeshire, Wales If you could help would be most grateful Regards, Naomi

Hi Naomi here you are: Abraham Follant abt 1806 Pembrokeshire, Wales Llangwm Pembrokeshire COLLIER Absalom Follant abt 1829 Pembrokeshire, Wales Llangwm Pembrokeshire David Follant abt 1838 Pembrokeshire, Wales Llangwm Pembrokeshire James Follant abt 1836 Pembrokeshire, Wales Llangwm Pembrokeshire John Follant abt 1826 Pembrokeshire, Wales Llangwm Pembrokeshire Martha Follant abt 1771 Pembrokeshire, Wales Llangwm Pembrokeshire Martha Follant abt 1801 Pembrokeshire, Wales Llangwm Pembrokeshire Martha Follant abt 1840 Pembrokeshire, Wales Llangwm Pembrokeshire Thomas Follant abt 1833 Pembrokeshire, Wales Llangwm Pembrokeshire William Follant abt 1828 Pembrokeshire, Wales Llangwm Pembrokeshire ALL BORN IN COUNTY Jane

Oh dear Jane...thats exactly how I feel....aaaarrrrrrrhhhhh. Im still not sure these are my lot...hope I have'nt led you up the wrong family tree???? But I will study the list that you gave. Did you see the message I left ...when I remembered about my cousin saying that William and George came from Somerset? Thankyou for all youve done. Hetty

Hetty tell me about it.............. having me going round in circles this lot !!! is the 1881 / 1891 your George b. 1880 ???? also do you have birth certificates for George & Hetty? might be worth while to get the mothers names, and could then pinpoint them in census and would help to get their parents marriage certificates Jane ps did see the extra bit about Somerset & Wales, but don't even want to go down that road just yet, lol

Jane it would be nice to say yes...but in all honesty I really do not know.. I will have to study them a bit longer...[Im slow worker] I don't want to guess at it.....its a real headache but hopefully something will click eventually. I appreciate all your hard work ...thankyou very much. regards Hetty

Jane ....no I don't have anymore info on them...haven't a clue where they were born. only one aunty left she's nearly ninety.will have to ask if she knows anymore. only have grandparents marriage cert...married 1898 George age 19 years Hetty age 17 years.. Oh dear I have just thought of something...I did find a George and Ettie in the 1881 census in Eastgrinstead Sussex.pretty sure its them.... sorry Jane.... so the 1881 george that you mentioned can't be the one.. Hetty

Hi Jane.. I have just read back some of our replys and it is obvious to me that we have a few misunderstandings...its probably my fault for not giving you all the info that I had at the start...and just realised that at one point you mention searching for Hetty's birth name......Hetty was born a Turner and married a Turner. 1901 CENSUS. Found a Ettie and George Turner.... [french polisher]...at East Grinstead Sussex....says born London Middlesex Grandad was a french polisher and he always called Nan ' Ett.' so I think this is probably them. 1898 Have marriage certificate of grandparents...in Marylebone. George Thomas Turner...age 19... [french polisher]. .fathers name George Thomas Turner....Cabman..... and Hetty Turner [birth name Turner] age 17... fathers name William Turner.[deceased]..cabwasher. This is very confusing to explain.. The two brothers George and William Turner [possibly born Somerset] had two children Hetty and George [cousins]...who married so Hetty was Turner before and after marriage. not sure if they were born in London middlesex ....as stated on the 1901 census in East Grinstead ..as I cannot find them... possibilty that they were born in Somerset and moved to London later.... also was told by same cousin that grandad George Turner born about 1879 had a sister called Florence. and Nan Hetty Turner born about 1880ish had a brother called William. hope this has made things a bit clearer ...sorry for any misleadings....this is absolutely all I know...but I will ask cousins for more info...though I don't think that they know anymore. Thanks for your help. regards Hetty

Hetty, lol no its ok , i had worked out Hetty was born a Turner too , as had looked up their marriage in 1898. so George & Hettys fathers were brothers, yep thats what i was working on too, which is why i tried to find George with his father named George in 1881 & 1891, to get George snrs age and bplace to find him earlier with brother named William , to then get Williams age & bplace to pinpoint him easier in 1891 with a daughter named Hetty / Ettie/ Harriet/ Henrietta !! just realised also you mention William was deceased in 1898, chances are he might be deceased in 1891 too !! but can i ask why you don't think that is your George in 1881, when even his job matches - carman !! also you say you have found George & Hetty in 1881 in Sussex, why would they be living together in 1881 if they were cousins??? am even more confused now, lol Jane update : jusr re read what i found in 1891 with George & George Jnr, and George jnr has a sister named Florence !!!!

Oooops ... I think that I made.a boo boo...Jane I have looked back over the messages and realise that I confused the 1901 and 1881 census ...sorry. George and Hetty are on the 1901 census in Grinstead Sussex it seems to fit. Im still not sure about the Georges on the 1881 though but have not ruled them out...it says George F and it should be George T for Thomas... Thanks Jane

Hetty, i'll just go and look at that original, sometimes F's & T's look alike, be right back........... mmmm to be quite honest i would have said it was F too., lol looks more like the F on Florence than it does on the T on Turner !! back to square 1 aren't we??? does it give an address where they were living on marriage certificate? in this 1891 census, the address was 69 Studley / Hudley rd, West Ham, Essex. if it helps !!

Jane. I am a bit put off by the West Ham Essex bit as well as the wrong initial on the 1891 census. I feel that as George junior has put London Middlesex as his birth place on the 1901 Sussex census that if it is him, we would most likely find him there and if my cousin is right then his father would be down as born in Somerset...who knows they may have all come from Somerset. doesn't this send you dizzy... Do you want to give up yet?. thanks Hetty

Hetty. give up???? me? no way, am like a dog with a bone with these problems, lol ill keep going.......... nobody else is keeping me busy so i am all yours for now, he he will scout round for a Somerset connection. just to clarify - you don't have George (jnr) or Hettys birth ceretificate do you?

Jane.. The address on the marriage certificate is a bit fuzzy but it goes something like 16 Luckerbe street for both of them... well I suppose cousins can live in the same house sometimes...ummm Hetty