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Thanks ArgyiiGran,
I shall have a look at both, and I do understand your warning....!
Jenny

There's a huge amount of stuff on FMP (and on Ancestry) which isn't on GR - not just the 1939 Register.

For one thing, GR only has records from England and Wales.

Both FMP and Ancestry offer a 14-day free trial, if you want to have a browse and see which one you like before subscribing.
If you decide not to go ahead with a sub after that, just remember to cancel in good time before the 14 days are up, or the sub will be taken automatically from your bank account.

Thanks greyghost and ArgyllGran for your offers of looking things up on FMP and/or
Ancestry.

It was useful and comforting (!) to have a look at the 1939 census to see the household of the Dunnells, and to confirm that the daughter was still with them.

I have nothing specific at the moment too look up on Ancestry, I wonder why GR doesn't include it in their research tools and make it available to all members, as Find my Past seems to own the site.

Something to do with costs, no doubt.

Jenny

The 1939 Register is also on FindMyPast, which also requires a subscription.

The 1939 on FMP seems to be a bit more up-to-date than the version on Ancestry - some records are still closed on Ancestry, but opened on FMP.

Otherwise, Ancestry versus FMP is pretty much six-and-half-a-dozen. Pros and cons on both sides.

And as GG says, lots of us here will be happy to look things up for you.

Plenty of members here have access to the 1939 register so post what it is you're looking for.

Depending on what and where your family lived Ancestry and Find My Past have different records. Have a look at their holdings before jumping one way or the other. Most people on here have membership of one of them, some to both.

Thanks greyghost.
I think I am going to join ancestry as well as being a member of GR, unless there is any other way to access the 1939 register?

I have successfully accessed the military service records before, for both of my parents. I think I will ask my aunt for a donation before I try for her granddad !

Jenny

Many WW1 records were destroyed during WW2. Unfortunately that appears to have happened to Frank's - UNLESS he was still in the Army after 1920, in which case his records will still be with MOD. Medal rolls were stored elsewhere.

Full records may tell you where he was serving at the appropriate time or list children and when/where born

The Medal roll is dated 1920, possibly still serving?

Have a read of the following. £30 with application and may take a while to arrive

Request Military Service Records | National Archives
https://www.archives.gov/veterans/military-service-records

1939 register includes Lilian and dob matches your death cert. date
Here she is Lilian Florence

44 Kent Avenue, Ashford U.D., Kent, England

Dunnell household
(3 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Frank R Dunnell 27 Mar 1888 Male House Painter & Decorator Married 282 1
Elsie A Dunnell 27 Aug 1889 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 282 2
Lilian F Dunnell 03 Jul 1917 Female Shop Assistant Tobacconist Single 282 3
Ref: RG101/1681B/003/17 Letter Code: DHAA

PM from Jen - have replied generally but nothing specific

Hi greyghost - I notice that you have added a few comments to my queries about the Dunnell family, could you please talk me through where I am supposed to ask a few more?
I have placed a thankyou note underneath all the kind helpful comments, and asked another question at the same time, but with no answers forthcoming, I think I am in the wrong area!
I know I have been a GR member for over 10 years, but I have never used this section before (that's my excuse !
thanks, Jenny

Hi everyone,
thank you all so very much for all your hard work, what lovely people you all are.
I have one very difficult (for me, anyway) puzzle to solve now.
Dorothea Ethel Dunnell born 1914 in Allahabad to Frank Reginald Dunnell and Elsie A Pay had a sister named Florence Lilian.
There is no record of her birth anywhere, except on her death certificate, which gives dob as 3/7/17. She was by then Florence Lilian Harry, having married a Maurice H Harry in 1948.
I have spent days searching every record I can think of, to no avail. The only reason I can think of is that perhaps Florence Lilian was unofficially "adopted"
Any help or advice would be gratefully received
Jenny

i think this is the charles branch

Dunnell Charles William 1889 — 1889 England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Kensington, London, England
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Dunnell Charles W 1890 1959 1959 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Surrey North Eastern, Surrey, England

Dunnell Charles W — — 1913 England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005 Willesden, Middlesex, England

Dunnell Charles W — — 1937 England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005 Surrey Mid Eastern, Surrey, England

1911
72, Southam Street, Kensington, London & Middlesex, England
Charles Dunnell Head Married Male 39 1862 Electrical Engineer Norwich, Norfolk, England
Mary H Dunnell Wife Married Female 28 1873 - Norwich, Norfolk, England
Charles Dunnell Son Single Male 11 1890 - Kensington, England
Alice E Dunnell Daughter Single Female 8 1893 - Kensington, England
Edward Dunnell Son Single Male 6 1895 - Kensington, England
Bertie Dunnell Son Single Male 5 1896 - Kensington, England

origins from norfolk

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
8, Bridgewater Street, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Dunnell Head Married Male 27 1854 Black Smith Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Alice Dunnell Wife Married Female 27 1854 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
George Dunnell Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Arthur Dunnell Son Single Male 2 1879 - St Giles
Walter Dunnell Son Single Male 0 1881 - St Giles

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%)

DUNNELL George Bethnal Green 1c 619
Frost Alice Jane Bethnal Green 1c 619

All Results
Alice Jane Frost

in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
View London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932

Name: Alice Jane Frost
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1852
Marriage Date: 22 Dec 1872
Marriage Place: St James the Great, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: Joseph Frost
Spouse: George Durnell
Register Type: Parish Register

Father remarried by 1911

Image says married 15 years 6 children born and still living. With the 9 on the 1891 census that would make your 15!

1911 Census For England & Wales
2 de L'angle Cottages Chartham Canterbury, Chartham, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Dunnell Head Married Male 58 1853 Blacksmith Hoxton London
Mary Dunnell Wife Married Female 45 1866 - Lambeth Lambeth
Alfred Dunnell Son Single Male 20 1891 Gardener Erith Kent
Charles Dunnell Son - Male 13 1898 School Chartham Kent
Thomas Dunnell Son - Male 12 1899 School Chartham Kent
Laura Dunnell Daughter - Female 8 1903 School Chartham Kent
John Dunnell Son - Male 6 1905 School Chartham Kent
Herbert Dunnell Son - Male 3 1908 - Chartham Kent

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Rattington Street, Chartham, Bridge, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Dunnell Head Married Male 47 1854 Blacksmith Journeyman Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Mary Dunnell Wife Married Female 34 1867 - Lambeth, Surrey, England
Ernest Dunnell Son Single Male 18 1883 Paper Mill Labourer London, England
Fred Dunnell Son Single Male 16 1885 Milk Boy On Farm Edmonton
Frank Dunnell Son - Male 13 1888 - Surrey, England
Harry Dunnell Son - Male 11 1890 - Erith, Kent, England
Alfred Dunnell Son - Male 10 1891 - Erith, Kent, England
Florence Dunnell Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Chartham, Kent, England
Charles Dunnell Son - Male 2 1899 - Chartham, Kent, England
Thomas Dunnell Son - Male 1 1900 - Chartham, Kent, England

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Brook Street, Erith, Dartford, Kent, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George W Dunnell Head Married Male 37 1854 Blacksmith London, Middlesex, England
Alice J Dunnell Wife Married Female 37 1854 - Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
George B Dunnell Son Single Male 16 1875 Domestic Servant General London, Middlesex, England
Arthur W Dunnell Son Single Male 12 1879 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Walter G Dunnell Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Ernest J Dunnell Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Frederick C Dunnell Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Middlesex, England
Charles P Dunnell Son - Male 4 1887 Scholar Surrey, England
Frank R Dunnell Son - Male 3 1888 - Surrey, England
Harry C Dunnell Son - Male 2 1889 - Kent, England
Alfred L Dunnell Son - Male 0 1891 - Erith, Kent, England

Frank R Dunnell
in the British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920

Name: Frank R Dunnell
Regiment or Corps: The Royal Scots (Lothian Regiment), Labour Corps
Regimental Number: 9517, 220018

From image - 9517 - Royal Scots Service No. 220018 Labour corps No.

Shown as having been awarded the British Medal

In Labour corps when awarded, previously Royal Scots

British India Office Births & Baptisms (image - Church of Scotland)

First name(s) Dorothea Ethel
Last name Dunnell
Birth year 1914
Birth date 27 Dec 1914
Baptism year 1914
Baptism date 10 Jan 1915
Place Allahabad
Presidency Bengal
Father's first name(s) Frank Reginald (image - Sgt Ist Bn Royal Scots)
Father's last name Dunnell
Mother's first name(s) Elsie Annie
Mother's last name -
Archive reference N-1-402
Folio 168
Page

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No further info available - no image

British India Office Births & Baptisms

First name(s) Duphne Vivian
Last name Dunnell
Birth year 1923
Birth date 1923
Baptism year 1923
Baptism date 1923
Place Kussowlie
Presidency Bengal
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name Dunnell
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Archive reference N-1-470
Folio 168

there is a tree on ancestry
franks parents

George W Dunnell
1853–1935
Birth 29 MAY 1853 • Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Death 6 APRIL 1935 • Bridge, Kent, England

Alice J Frost
1852–1894
Birth 18 DECEMBER 1852 • St Giles in the Fields and St George, London, England
Death 19 SEPTEMBER 1894 • Chartham, Kent, England

her mother Alice Frost, no father named

Joseph Dunnell
1820–1894
Birth 1820 • Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Death 1894 • Northampton, Northamptonshire, United Kingdom

Ellen Piper
1831–1865
Birth ABT 1831 • Langham, England
Death 18 AUGUST 1865 • London, Surrey, England

Marriage
30 April 1843 • Hoxton, Middlesex, England
Joseph Dunnell


Robert Dunnell
1791–1843
Birth 1791
Death 1843


Jane Sarah Parram
1801–1842
Birth 1801
Death ABT 1842 • London, United Kingdom

Further detail on marriage

British India Office Marriages

First name(s) Frank Reginald
Last name Dunnell
Marriage year 1913
Marriage date 31 Oct 1913
Spouse's first name Elsie Annie
Spouse's last name Pay <<<<<<<< looks like PAY on original rather than Ray
Place Bombay
Presidency Bombay
Groom's age 25
Bride's age 24
Groom's father's first name George William
Groom's father's last name Dunnell
Bride's father's first name William George
Bride's father's last name Plant
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bombay, 1709-1948, :
Archive reference N-3-110
Folio number 268
Entry number 11
Record set British India Office Marriages

From image -
Married at St Andrew's Church, Bombay by Banns, according to the rites of the Church of Scotland
Bachelor and spinster
He was a Lance Sergeant in The Royal Scots, resident in Benares at time if marriage. She was resident in Bombay
Witnesses - Sergeant H Edwards and FL Edwards

Jenny, was your Frank Reginald married in India?
Frank Reginald Dunnell

in the India, Select Marriages, 1792-1948
India, Select Marriages, 1792-1948 No Image
Text-only collection

Name: Frank Reginald Dunnell
Gender: Male
Marital status: Single
Age: 25
Birth Date: 1888
Marriage Date: 31 Oct 1913
Marriage Place: Bombay, Bombay, India
Father: George William Dunnell
Spouse: Elsie Annie Ray
FHL Film Number: 523900