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Terence
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18 May 2024 11:46 |
Hi.Would anybody have any idea what the christian name used in an old family book Thissie be a corruption of as a christian name?
Terry L.
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ArgyllGran
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18 May 2024 12:25 |
Is the person male or female?
What period are we talking about?
Was this person in the UK?
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ErikaH
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18 May 2024 12:26 |
Is the writing 100% clear?
Have you googled? (First obvious step)
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ArgyllGran
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18 May 2024 12:29 |
Who were the person's relatives? Perhaps we can deduce something from census records.
What is the "old family book"? Is it a family Bible, and therefore semi-official?
Please give us as much info as possible.
Could it be Tessie, with bad handwriting? Short for Teresa?
ADDED: A Google search suggests that Thessie (maybe Thissie with bad handwriting ??) can be a variant form of Tessie, or a diminutive of Teresa, Theresa, Theresia, Hortensia, or Ortensia.
One site suggests it's a Swedish name, meaning "queen of beauty" - but who knows?! https://www.behindaname.com/meaning-of-names/name_THESSIE.php
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nameslessone
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18 May 2024 14:44 |
When you say an old family book. Do you mean something that was handwritten or something printed?
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ErikaH
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18 May 2024 15:46 |
Have you looked at BMD and census records to try to determine what the name might actually be?
Which side of your family does this relate to?
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Terence
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28 May 2024 15:29 |
Hi.I must first apologise for my lack of response to you all regarding the name Thissie. I have been ill for a few weeks now and not had the time to react.Since then my son has taken the said book to a bookbinder for restoration which is still ongoing.From memory,the book is a small item titled "My Friends Birthdays" It belonged to my G'Mother Annie Robinson(1874-1930) who I never knew.The inner page says it was given to her by Thissie Robinson who lived near Tow Law in Co.Durham.What relationship Thissie was to Annie I don't know.Annie's father,John, had a sister Phyliis. Maybe it's a corruption of that?????
Once again my apologies for delays,Terry L.
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ErikaH
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28 May 2024 15:39 |
Unless your grandmother didn't marry, her father's surname would not have been Robinson
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ErikaH
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28 May 2024 15:48 |
The surname is very common, so the donor of the book may not have been related to the recipient.
When was the book printed?
If it's a record of birthdays, isn't the donor included?
You haven't answered the questions about whether you've looked at any records to try to work out what the name might be..........................
Also, was Robinson the maiden name of your grandmother............or her married name? Your post is unclear.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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28 May 2024 15:54 |
Not Robinson at death
1911 census
Name Annie Liddle Age in 1911 36 Estimated Birth Year abt 1875 Relation to Head Wife Gender Female Birth Place Wolsingham, Durham, England Civil parish Crook and Billy Row County/Island Durham Country England Street Address Front Street Sunniside Nr Tow Law Marital Status Married Registration District Number 547 Sub-registration district Hamsterley ED, institution, or vessel 15 Piece 29765 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Thomas Robert Liddle 42 Head Annie Liddle 36 Wife Annie Liddle 15 Daughter Robert Liddle 8 Son John Willie Liddle 4 Son Connie Liddle 6/12 Daughter
Married 16 years 5 children born 4 still living
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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28 May 2024 16:03 |
Wonder if she a sister of John 1891 census Name Lizzie H Robinson Gender Female Age 15 Relationship Daughter Birth Year 1876 Father Shields Robinson Birth Place Evenwood, Durham, England Civil parish Evenwood Barony Residence Place Evenwood, Evenwood Barony, Durham, England Registration district Auckland Sub registration district Hamsterley ED, Institution or Vessel 16 Neighbors View others on page Piece 4077 Folio 79 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Shields Robinson 63 Head. (Johns father !) Lizzie H Robinson 15 Daughter
Name Elizabeth Hannah Robinson Registration Year 1895 [1895] Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun Registration district Auckland Inferred County Durham Volume 10a Page 367 Records on Page (Name) Benjamin Littlefair Elizabeth Hannah Robinson
1901 census
Name Elizabeth H Lettlefair Age 25 Estimated Birth Year abt 1876 Relation to Head Wife Gender Female Spouse Benjamin Lettlefair Birth Place Toft Hill, Durham, England Civil parish Evenwood and Barony Search Photos View blank form Ecclesiastical parish Etherley St Cuthbert Town Toft Hill >>>>>>>> County/Island Durham >>>>> Country England Registration district Auckland Sub-registration district Hamsterley ED, institution, or vessel 18 Neighbors View others on page Piece 4654 Folio 39 Page number 4 Household schedule number 22 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Benjamin Lettlefair 29 Head Elizabeth H Lettlefair 25 Wife Alfred Lettlefair 4 Son Redvers Lettlefair 8/12 Son
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ErikaH
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28 May 2024 16:08 |
For name info.......................
1939 Register 3 Sunderland Road, Easington, Easington R.D., Durham, England
John W Liddle 04 Sep 1906 Male Colliery Hewer (Below) Coal Mine Married 17 1 Margaret Liddle 27 Sep 1908 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 17 2 The record for this person is officially closed. Elizabeth Donnelly 09 Sep 1910 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 17 4
LIDDLE, JOHN WILLIE ROBINSON GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 262
1921 Census Of England & Wales Front Street, Sunniside, Crook & Billy Row, Durham, England Thomas Robert Liddle Head Male 1868 52 Bishop Auckland, Durham, England Coal Miner Stonea Weardale Steel Coal And Coke West Th Out Of Work Annie Liddle Wife Female 1875 46 Durham, Durham, England Home Duties - Robert Liddle Son Male 1903 18 Crook, Durham, England Coal Miner Driver Weardal Steel Coal And Com Out Of Work John Willie Liddle Son Male 1906 14 Crook, Durham, England Coal Miner Driver Weardal Steel Coal And Com Out Of Work Connie Liddle Daughter Female 1910 10 Crook, Durham, England
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Dans Castle, Wolsingham, Weardale, Durham, England John Robinson Head Married Male 29 1852 Coal miner Wolsingham, Durham, England Ann Robinson Wife Married Female 28 1853 - Tow Law, Durham, England Ann Robinson Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Tow Law, Durham, England Catherine Robinson Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Tow Law, Durham, England John Robinson Son Single Male 2 1879 - Durham, England
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Terence
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28 May 2024 16:53 |
Yes my G'Mother married Thomas Robert Liddle in 1894 in Weardale.
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ArgyllGran
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28 May 2024 17:05 |
It might be useful to know the exact wording on the book.
The book was obviously given to Annie before her marriage in 1894, and possibly when she was quite young. It's the sort of thing I can imagine as a gift to an 8 or 9-year-old, or young teenager, who might still be calling a relative by the name she used when too young to pronounce the real name.
Although we'll never know for sure, I'm inclined to agree with Terence's suggestion that Thissie was her aunt Phillis, whose middle name was Annie.
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28 May 2024 19:01 |
I was thinking along the same lines as AG, the gifting relative could also have used the name the family called her.
I didn’t know my Aunt was never known by her own name until she died.
Terence - I hope you are fully recovered.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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29 May 2024 07:10 |
But Phyllis married in 1888 so no longer a Robinson
Name Phillis Annie Robinson Registration Year 1888 [1888] Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district Auckland Inferred County Durham Volume 10a Page 261 Records on Page (Name) William Gilroy Cook Elizabeth Heaviside George Hordon Phillis Annie Robinson
So married when annie was about 15
Depending on when the book was written whether it was Phyllis before she married
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ErikaH
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29 May 2024 09:23 |
As I said earlier, the donor wasn’t necessarily related…….Robinson is a very common name
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ArgyllGran
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29 May 2024 11:43 |
Although Phillis still seems a possibility to me, it feels odd that the surname is included.
I hope Terence will let us know the exact wording when he gets the book back.
Assuming Thissie herself wrote the words, it would seem more natural to write just "From Thissie" or "From Aunt Thissie" or something like that, unless it was to distinguish her from some other Thissie - which seems unlikely. But I'm probably over-thinking it!
Another possibility might be Annie's aunt Alice (nee Bell) who married John's brother Joseph in early 1881 or late 1880. Alice and Joseph were living in Tow Law in both 1881 and 1891. Alice is a name which might be corrupted to Thissie by a young child. If she gave the gift soon after her marriage, she might have added her new surname.
Joseph Robinson in the 1891 England Census Name Joseph Robinson Gender Male Age 33 Relationship Head Birth Year 1858 Spouse Alice Robinson Birth Place Bishop Auckland, Durham, England Civil parish Wolsingham Residence Place Tow Law, Wolsingham, Durham, England Registration district Weardale Sub registration district Wolsingham ED, Institution or Vessel 11 Neighbors Piece 4085 Folio 140 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Joseph Robinson 33 Head Alice Robinson 31 Wife Robinson Bell 12 Adopted Son [ age 12 DAYS on image. Correction submitted ]
Joseph Robinson in the 1881 England Census Name Joseph Robinson Age 23 Estimated Birth Year abt 1858 Relationship to Head Son in Law (Son-in-law) Spouse Alice Robinson Gender Male Where born Woodhouses, Durham, England Civil parish Wolsingham County/Island Durham Country England Street Address Attwood Road Keepers Row [Tow Law on image ] Marital Status Married Occupation Coal Miner Registration district Weardale ED, institution, or vessel 11 Neighbors Piece 4940 Folio 56 Page number 11 Household Members (Name) Age Relationship Lancelot Bell 49 Head Dorithy Bell 45 Wife James Bell 18 Son Mathew Bell 15 Son Lancelot Bell 7 Son Margaret Ada Bell 3 Daughter Joseph Robinson 23 Son in Law (Son-in-law) Alice Robinson 21 Daughter
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ArgyllGran
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29 May 2024 12:02 |
Nothing to do with Terence's query - but -
Robinson Bell was the son of Alice's brother Matthew and his wife Louisa Jane Briddick (or Jane Louisa in other records):
BELL, ROBINSON mmn BRIDDICK GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in WEARDALE Volume 10A Page 327
Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%) Bell Matthew Weardale 10a 414 BRIDDICK Louisa Jane Weardale 10a 414
Jane/Louisa died in early 1891, possibly in childbirth.
BELL, JANE LOUISA 17 GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in WEARDALE Volume 10A Page 182
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Terence
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29 May 2024 18:05 |
Thanks again for everyone's efforts .My son informs me it might be Late June/July before the book will be finished. Will wait and see what the actual wording is and her address. Thanks again,Terry L.
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