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Terence

Terence Report 18 May 2024 11:46

Hi.Would anybody have any idea what the christian name used in an old family book
Thissie be a corruption of as a christian name?

Terry L.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 May 2024 12:25

Is the person male or female?

What period are we talking about?

Was this person in the UK?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 May 2024 12:26

Is the writing 100% clear?

Have you googled? (First obvious step)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 18 May 2024 12:29

Who were the person's relatives?
Perhaps we can deduce something from census records.

What is the "old family book"?
Is it a family Bible, and therefore semi-official?

Please give us as much info as possible.


Could it be Tessie, with bad handwriting?
Short for Teresa?

ADDED:
A Google search suggests that Thessie (maybe Thissie with bad handwriting ??) can be a variant form of Tessie, or a diminutive of Teresa, Theresa, Theresia, Hortensia, or Ortensia.

One site suggests it's a Swedish name, meaning "queen of beauty" - but who knows?!
https://www.behindaname.com/meaning-of-names/name_THESSIE.php

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 18 May 2024 14:44

When you say an old family book. Do you mean something that was handwritten or something printed?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 18 May 2024 15:46

Have you looked at BMD and census records to try to determine what the name might actually be?

Which side of your family does this relate to?

Terence

Terence Report 28 May 2024 15:29

Hi.I must first apologise for my lack of response to you all regarding the name Thissie. I have been ill for a few weeks now and not had the time to react.Since then my son has taken the said book to a bookbinder for restoration which is still ongoing.From memory,the book is a small item titled "My Friends Birthdays" It belonged to my G'Mother Annie Robinson(1874-1930) who I never knew.The inner page says it was given to her by Thissie Robinson who lived near Tow Law in Co.Durham.What relationship Thissie was to Annie I don't know.Annie's father,John,
had a sister Phyliis. Maybe it's a corruption of that?????

Once again my apologies for delays,Terry L.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 May 2024 15:39

Unless your grandmother didn't marry, her father's surname would not have been Robinson

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 May 2024 15:48

The surname is very common, so the donor of the book may not have been related to the recipient.

When was the book printed?

If it's a record of birthdays, isn't the donor included?

You haven't answered the questions about whether you've looked at any records to try to work out what the name might be..........................

Also, was Robinson the maiden name of your grandmother............or her married name? Your post is unclear.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 May 2024 15:54

Not Robinson at death

1911 census

Name Annie Liddle
Age in 1911 36
Estimated Birth Year abt 1875
Relation to Head Wife
Gender Female
Birth Place Wolsingham, Durham, England
Civil parish Crook and Billy Row
County/Island Durham
Country England
Street Address Front Street Sunniside Nr Tow Law
Marital Status Married
Registration District Number 547
Sub-registration district Hamsterley
ED, institution, or vessel 15
Piece 29765
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Thomas Robert Liddle
42
Head
Annie Liddle 36 Wife
Annie Liddle
15
Daughter
Robert Liddle
8
Son
John Willie Liddle
4
Son
Connie Liddle
6/12
Daughter


Married 16 years 5 children born 4 still living

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 28 May 2024 16:03

Wonder if she a sister of John
1891 census
Name Lizzie H Robinson
Gender Female
Age 15
Relationship Daughter
Birth Year 1876
Father
Shields Robinson
Birth Place Evenwood, Durham, England
Civil parish Evenwood Barony
Residence Place Evenwood, Evenwood Barony, Durham, England
Registration district Auckland
Sub registration district Hamsterley
ED, Institution or Vessel 16
Neighbors View others on page
Piece 4077
Folio 79
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Shields Robinson
63 Head. (Johns father !)
Lizzie H Robinson 15 Daughter


Name Elizabeth Hannah Robinson
Registration Year 1895
[1895]
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration district Auckland
Inferred County Durham
Volume 10a
Page 367
Records on Page (Name)
Benjamin Littlefair
Elizabeth Hannah Robinson



1901 census


Name Elizabeth H Lettlefair
Age 25
Estimated Birth Year abt 1876
Relation to Head Wife
Gender Female
Spouse Benjamin Lettlefair
Birth Place Toft Hill, Durham, England
Civil parish Evenwood and Barony
Search Photos
View blank form
Ecclesiastical parish Etherley St Cuthbert
Town Toft Hill >>>>>>>>
County/Island Durham >>>>>
Country England
Registration district Auckland
Sub-registration district Hamsterley
ED, institution, or vessel 18
Neighbors View others on page
Piece 4654
Folio 39
Page number 4
Household schedule number 22
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Benjamin Lettlefair
29
Head
Elizabeth H Lettlefair 25 Wife
Alfred Lettlefair
4
Son
Redvers Lettlefair
8/12
Son

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 May 2024 16:08

For name info.......................

1939 Register
3 Sunderland Road, Easington, Easington R.D., Durham, England

John W Liddle 04 Sep 1906 Male Colliery Hewer (Below) Coal Mine Married 17 1
Margaret Liddle 27 Sep 1908 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 17 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
Elizabeth Donnelly 09 Sep 1910 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 17 4

LIDDLE, JOHN WILLIE ROBINSON
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in AUCKLAND Volume 10A Page 262

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Front Street, Sunniside, Crook & Billy Row, Durham, England
Thomas Robert Liddle Head Male 1868 52 Bishop Auckland, Durham, England Coal Miner Stonea Weardale Steel Coal And Coke West Th Out Of Work
Annie Liddle Wife Female 1875 46 Durham, Durham, England Home Duties -
Robert Liddle Son Male 1903 18 Crook, Durham, England Coal Miner Driver Weardal Steel Coal And Com Out Of Work
John Willie Liddle Son Male 1906 14 Crook, Durham, England Coal Miner Driver Weardal Steel Coal And Com Out Of Work
Connie Liddle Daughter Female 1910 10 Crook, Durham, England



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Dans Castle, Wolsingham, Weardale, Durham, England
John Robinson Head Married Male 29 1852 Coal miner Wolsingham, Durham, England
Ann Robinson Wife Married Female 28 1853 - Tow Law, Durham, England
Ann Robinson Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Tow Law, Durham, England
Catherine Robinson Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Tow Law, Durham, England
John Robinson Son Single Male 2 1879 - Durham, England

Terence

Terence Report 28 May 2024 16:53

Yes my G'Mother married Thomas Robert Liddle in 1894 in Weardale.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 May 2024 17:05

It might be useful to know the exact wording on the book.

The book was obviously given to Annie before her marriage in 1894, and possibly when she was quite young.
It's the sort of thing I can imagine as a gift to an 8 or 9-year-old, or young teenager, who might still be calling a relative by the name she used when too young to pronounce the real name.

Although we'll never know for sure, I'm inclined to agree with Terence's suggestion that Thissie was her aunt Phillis, whose middle name was Annie.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 28 May 2024 19:01

I was thinking along the same lines as AG, the gifting relative could also have used the name the family called her.

I didn’t know my Aunt was never known by her own name until she died.

Terence - I hope you are fully recovered.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 29 May 2024 07:10

But Phyllis married in 1888 so no longer a Robinson

Name Phillis Annie Robinson
Registration Year 1888
[1888]
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district Auckland
Inferred County Durham
Volume 10a
Page 261
Records on Page (Name)
William Gilroy Cook
Elizabeth Heaviside
George Hordon
Phillis Annie Robinson


So married when annie was about 15

Depending on when the book was written whether it was Phyllis before she married

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 29 May 2024 09:23

As I said earlier, the donor wasn’t necessarily related…….Robinson is a very common name

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 May 2024 11:43

Although Phillis still seems a possibility to me, it feels odd that the surname is included.

I hope Terence will let us know the exact wording when he gets the book back.

Assuming Thissie herself wrote the words, it would seem more natural to write just "From Thissie" or "From Aunt Thissie" or something like that, unless it was to distinguish her from some other Thissie - which seems unlikely.
But I'm probably over-thinking it!


Another possibility might be Annie's aunt Alice (nee Bell) who married John's brother Joseph in early 1881 or late 1880.
Alice and Joseph were living in Tow Law in both 1881 and 1891.
Alice is a name which might be corrupted to Thissie by a young child.
If she gave the gift soon after her marriage, she might have added her new surname.

Joseph Robinson
in the 1891 England Census
Name Joseph Robinson
Gender Male
Age 33
Relationship Head
Birth Year 1858
Spouse Alice Robinson
Birth Place Bishop Auckland, Durham, England
Civil parish Wolsingham
Residence Place Tow Law, Wolsingham, Durham, England
Registration district Weardale
Sub registration district Wolsingham
ED, Institution or Vessel 11
Neighbors
Piece 4085
Folio 140
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Joseph Robinson 33 Head
Alice Robinson 31 Wife
Robinson Bell 12 Adopted Son [ age 12 DAYS on image. Correction submitted ]


Joseph Robinson
in the 1881 England Census
Name Joseph Robinson
Age 23
Estimated Birth Year abt 1858
Relationship to Head Son in Law (Son-in-law)
Spouse Alice Robinson
Gender Male
Where born Woodhouses, Durham, England
Civil parish Wolsingham
County/Island Durham
Country England
Street Address Attwood Road Keepers Row [Tow Law on image ]
Marital Status Married
Occupation Coal Miner
Registration district Weardale
ED, institution, or vessel 11
Neighbors
Piece 4940
Folio 56
Page number 11
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Lancelot Bell 49 Head
Dorithy Bell 45 Wife
James Bell 18 Son
Mathew Bell 15 Son
Lancelot Bell 7 Son
Margaret Ada Bell 3 Daughter
Joseph Robinson 23 Son in Law (Son-in-law)
Alice Robinson 21 Daughter

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 29 May 2024 12:02

Nothing to do with Terence's query - but -


Robinson Bell was the son of Alice's brother Matthew and his wife Louisa Jane Briddick (or Jane Louisa in other records):

BELL, ROBINSON mmn BRIDDICK
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in WEARDALE Volume 10A Page 327


Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%)
Bell Matthew Weardale 10a 414
BRIDDICK Louisa Jane Weardale 10a 414


Jane/Louisa died in early 1891, possibly in childbirth.

BELL, JANE LOUISA 17
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in WEARDALE Volume 10A Page 182

Terence

Terence Report 29 May 2024 18:05

Thanks again for everyone's efforts .My son informs me it might be Late June/July before the book will be finished. Will wait and see what the actual wording is and her address.
Thanks again,Terry L.