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Hi.

I have a John Tippett of Probus marrying Mary Ann Johns in 1845. In ensuing census he is listed as a tin AND copper miner. He was born in 1814 and Mary Ann in 1820. Firstly, according to the OPC, he was a widower when he married - I'm struggling to find his first marriage (his father was also John).

Secondly, from his second marriage, he had the children, all born in St Erth: Ancelina (Selina)(born 1847), Mary Jane (1852), Jane (1853), John (1854), Anne (Annie)(1859), James (1861) and Mary (1871).

Mary Ann marries in 1874, John marries in 1874 and dies in 1877, Anne marries Samuel Johns, James dies aged 10 months and Mary dies aged 1.

This leaves Ancelina/Selina and Jane, both unaccounted for after 1871 census....

Can't seem to find a marriage or death.

Can anyone help please?

Phil

Thank you

I thought it looked like a long gap between Ancelina and Mary Jane.

This is from FreeReg, and does look like your family

https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/new?locale=en&search_id=63f95868c233302e6820ca93

County Cornwall
Place (Links to more information) St Erth
Church name (Links to more information) St Ercus
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Register entry number 890
Birth date 27 Jul 1850
Baptism date 15 Sep 1850
Person forename John
Person sex M
Father forename John
Mother forename Mary Ann
Father surname TIPPETT
Mother surname TIPPETT
Person abode Bosence
Father occupation Labourer
Transcribed by Barty
File line number 890

Unfortunately, he didn't live long ..............

County Cornwall
Place (Links to more information) St Erth
Church name (Links to more information) St Ercus
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Register entry number 1218
Burial date 07 Mar 1851
Burial person forename John
Burial person surname TIPPETT
Person age infant
Burial person abode Besence
Transcribed by Bernard White
File line number 1217


But then ................

County Cornwall
Place (Links to more information) St Erth
Church name (Links to more information) St Ercus
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Register entry number 1086
Birth date 25 Feb 1853
Baptism date 20 Nov 1853
Person forename John
Person sex M
Father forename John
Mother forename Mary Ann
Father surname TIPPETT
Mother surname TIPPETT
Person abode Bidderverant
Father occupation Miner
Transcribed by Barty
File line number 1086

Have you looked for him in 1841?

What was his occupation when he married?

The 1851 census records him as a Farm Labourer

What was his address when he married?

Posting censuses for our reference, as it's often easier to get one's head round all the names like that:

John Tippett
in the 1851 England Census
Name: John Tippett
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maryann Tippett
Gender: Male
Where born: Probus
Civil Parish: St Erth
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Penzance
Sub-registration District: Uny Lelant
ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 66
Piece: 1917
Folio: 70
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
John Tippett 35 - farm labourer
Maryann Tippett 30
Ann T Tippett 4
William Johns 28
Thomas Johns 29


John Tippet
in the 1861 England Census
Name: John Tippet
Gender: Male
Age: 45
Relation: Head
Estimated Birth Year: 1816
Where born: Probus, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: St Erth
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: Penzance
Sub-registration district: Uny Lelant
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Tippet 45 Head - miner, tin
Mary Ann Tippet 41 Wife
Ancelina Tippet 14 Daughter
Mary Jane Tippet 9 Daughter
John Tippet 7 Son
Anne Tippet 2 Daughter
James Tippet 2/12 Son


John Tippett
in the 1871 England Census
Name: John Tippett
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: 1815
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Probus, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: St Erth
Town: Church
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: Penzance
Sub-registration district: Uny Lelant
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 71
Piece: 2332
Folio: 19
Page number: 14
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Tippett 56 Head - tin miner
Mary Tippett 50 Wife
John Tippett 17 Son
Selina Tippett 24 Daughter
Jane Tippett 18 Daughter
Annie Tippett 12 Daughter
Mary Tippett 2/12 Daughter


By 1881 the only "child" with John and Mary Ann is married daughter Annie Johns.

Possible baptism in Probus for JOHN 10 July 1814 father John, mother, Mary

Ancelina's marriage:


Angelina Tippeth
in the Cornwall, England, Parish Registers, 1538-2010
Name: Angelina Tippeth
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 25
Marital Status: Single
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1848
Marriage Date: 25 Jan 1873
Marriage Place: St Erth, Cornwall, England
Father:
John Tippeth [ miner]
Spouse:
Thomas Polkinghorne

Marriages Mar 1873 (>99%)
POLKINGHORNE Thomas Penzance 5c 401
TIPPETT Angelina Penzance 5c 401

Angelina Polkinghorne
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Angelina Polkinghorne
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: Thomas Polkinghorne
Gender: Female
Where born: St Erth, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: St Erth
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street Address: Little Mill
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration District: Penzance
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors:
Piece: 2340
Folio: 42
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Polkinghorne 33 - St Erth, labourer on quays
Angelina Polkinghorne 34
Thomas Polkinghorne 4 - Canada
Elizabeth J. Polkinghorne 3 - Canada
William J. Polkinghorne 2 - Canada


All the children said to be born in Canada. [Later records below say New Jersey.]

Elizabeth Jane Polkinghorn
in the New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
Name: Elizabeth Jane Polkinghorn
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: English
Age: 3/12 [ 3 on the image - no suggestion of months, therefore 3 years ]
Birth Date: abt 1882
Place of Origin: England
Departure Port: Avonmouth, England
Destination: USA
Arrival Date: 20 May 1882
Arrival Port: New York, New York, USA
Ship Name: Bristol

Travelling with Thomas ,34, miner; Angelina 35; Thomas 5; William J 3.

Angelina Polkinghorn
in the New Jersey, U.S., State Census, 1905
Name: Angelina Polkinghorn
Gender: Female
Age: 59
Marital Status: Widow
Birth Date: Jul 1846
Birth Place: England
Residence Year: 1905
Residence Place: Belleville, Essex, New Jersey, USA
Page number: 73
Ward: Belleville
Line Number: 86
Street Address: Steven
House Number: 26
Dwelling Number: 779
Family Number: 1
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Occupation: Clerk
Can Read: Y
Can Write: Y
Can Speak English: Y
Owned or Rented: R
Farm or House: H
Relatives (Name) Age
Angelina Polkinghorn 59
Thomas Polkinghorn 29 - New Jersey
William Polkinghorn 27 - New Jersey
Edith Polkinghorn 19 - New Jersey
George Polkinghorn 16 - New Jersey


???
Angelina Polkinghorne
in the U.S., Find a Grave™ Index, 1600s-Current
Name: Angelina Polkinghorne
Birth Date: 1846
Death Date: 1925
Cemetery: Christ Church Cemetery and Mausoleum
Burial or Cremation Place: Belleville, Essex County, New Jersey, United States of America

Gravesite Details
Wife of Thomas Polkinghorne

Angelina Polingha*
in the 1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Angelina Polingha* [Angelina Polinghine] [Angelina Polkinghorn]
Age: 73
Birth Year: abt 1847
Birthplace: England
Home in 1920: Belleville Ward 1, Essex, New Jersey
Street: Stevens St
House Number: 13
Residence Date: 1920
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1873
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Native Tongue: English
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: None
Home Owned or Rented: Rented
Naturalization Status: Naturalized
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors:
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Angelina Polingha* 73 Head
Thomas Polingha* 43 Son
William Polingha* 40 Son
Edith Polingha* 33 Daughter
Joseph G Polingha* 45 Cousin

The family in 1895:

Edith Polkinghorn
in the New Jersey, U.S., State Census, 1895
Name: Edith Polkinghorn
Race: White
Gender: Female
State: New Jersey
County: Essex
Locality: Belleville
Family Number: 128
Roll: V227_64
Page: 20
Line: 17

Listed with Angelina, Thomas (the son), William, and George.

Angelina's husband's grave:

Thomas Polkinghorne
in the U.S., Find a Grave™ Index, 1600s-Current
Name: Thomas Polkinghorne
Birth Date: 1846
Death Date: 1890
Cemetery: Christ Church Cemetery and Mausoleum
Burial or Cremation Place: Belleville, Essex County, New Jersey, United States of America

In your OP, you mention Mary Jane 1852 and Jane 1853.

That's just one child.
She's called Mary Jane in the 1861 census, and Jane in 1871.

You already know about her marriage in 1874:

Mary Jane Tippett
in the Cornwall, England, Parish Registers, 1538-2010
Name: Mary Jane Tippett
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 22
Marital Status: Single
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1852
Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1874
Marriage Place: St Erth, Cornwall, England
Father: John Tippett
Spouse: Thomas Henry Hampton

For INFO

Day Month 01-Nov
Year 1845
Parish Circuit Or Chapel Erth, St.
Groom Fn John
Groom Sn TIPPETT
Groom Age Above 21
Groom Residence St. Erth
Groom Condition Widower
Groom Rank Profession Labourer
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Groom Father Name John
Groom Father Rank Profession Labourer
Bride Fn Mary Ann
Bride Sn JOHNS
Bride Age Above 21
Bride Residence St. Erth
Bride Condition S
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Bride Father Name William
Bride Father Rank Profession Labourer
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 William
Witness Sn1 Simons (mark)
Witness Fn2 William
Witness Sn2 Chate

He is not listed in 1841 in St Erth

????????

Day Month 15-Oct
Year 1842
Parish Circuit Or Chapel Erth, St.
Groom Fn John
Groom Sn TIPPET
Groom Age Full
Groom Residence St. Erth
Groom Condition B
Groom Rank Profession Labourer
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Groom Father Name John
Groom Father Rank Profession Labourer
Bride Fn Alice
Bride Sn WILLIAMS
Bride Age Full
Bride Residence
Bride Condition S
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Bride Father Name James
Bride Father Rank Profession Miner
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 John
Witness Sn1 Tippet
Witness Fn2 Samuel
Witness Sn2 Trevaskis


?????????
Day Month 22-Nov
Year 1842
Parish Circuit Or Chapel Breage
Forename Alice
Surname TIPPETT
Age 36
Residence St Erth

This is magnificent!!! Thank you so much - Caught out by Tippeth!!!

Very bad to get caught out by Mary Ann/Ann.....

Another member going abroad!! This does fascinate me.

Is that Alice's death? 38 days after marrying???

Really do appreciate the time and effort you have put in.

Thank you

No guarantees............you need certs for accuracy

Of course.

Many thanks to ArgyllGran and ErikaH.

Great stuff.

???????

TIPPET, ALICE 36
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in PENZANCE UNION Volume 09 Page 189


but I also wonder about this one, though the baby died in a different Workhouse ......

TIPPET, - 0
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in TRURO UNION Volume 09 Page 244

NO .........mmn was Barkla, so not Alice and John's child