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Thanks greyghost for all your help. You have been very kind helping me.

All the best

Jane

Same with Jesse

Jesse's birth reg.: From the GRO sire -

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
PARAMORE, JESSIE MARY PARAMORE
GRO Reference: 1856 D Quarter in WISBECH UNION Volume 03B Page 573

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Parents marriage
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1854 (>99%)
BAKER Mary Williton 5c 563
Napper James Williton 5c 563
PARAMORE Ann Jenkins Williton 5c 563 <<<<<<<
PARAMORE John Huxtable Williton 5c 563 <<<<<<<

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1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Tilney cum Islington, Wisbech, Norfolk, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard John Huddale Paramour Head Married Male 38 1823 Vicar of islington South Molton, Devon, England
Ann Julia Paramour Wife Married Female 38 1823 Vicar wife Monkton, Somerset, England
Jesse Mary Paramour Daughter - Female 4 1857 Vicar daughter Islington, Norfolk, England
Thomas Paramour Son - Male 1 1860 Vicar son Islington, Norfolk, England
Phoebe Carter Servant Unmarried Female 17 1844 House servant Islington, Norfolk, England
Elizabeth Jessey Servant Unmarried Female 17 1844 House servant Norfolk, England

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Note when working out years of birth for census purposes or from age at death this is done by eg
census - 1861 - age 4 = born 1857 but Jesse actually born 1856 which could still mean she's 4 at date of census

year of death 1950 - age at death 92 = born 1857 but born 1856

Thank you greyghost for those articles. So he committed suicide by throwing himself off a cliff. That is so sad.

Thank you very much greyghost.

All the best

Jane

Baptised 1838 - couldn't have been born 1839

AG has posted his birth from the GRO site which gives mmn from start of registration in Q3 1837. You have to register but it's free -

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/menu.asp

Thank you both for all that extra information. You all have been really helpful.

All the best

Jane

The wife’s DoB was 14 Oct 1856 as per 1939 register

Definitely born 1838.
His birth cert will tell you his exact DOB:

CHARLEY, JOHN CRANG mmn CRANG
GRO Reference: 1838 J Quarter in BARNSTAPLE UNION Volume 10 Page 43

There are a couple of newspaper reports re his death on FMP. I'll download and send them to you via PM - check your in box

Thanks greyghost and ArgyllGran

So I think I have got myself sorted.
John Charley was born 1838/9 and died in 1909 in Lynton Devon
Jessie his wife was born 1857 and died in 1950.

Thanks everyone for your help

Jane

Probate record says:

CHARLEY, John, of Woodlands, Lynton, Devonshire, retired major-general King's Royal Rifles died 23 November 1909.
Probate Exeter 18 December to Jessie Mary Charley, widow.
Effects: £186 5s 1d

Name: Age at Death (in years):
CHARLEY, JOHN 70
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in BARNSTAPLE Volume 05B Page 281

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England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019
Lynton, Devon, England

First name(s) John
County Devon
Last name Charley
Linked persons Jessie Mary Charley
Death year 1909
Country England
Death date 23 Nov 1909
Record set England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1858-2019
Probate year 1909
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Probate date 18 Dec 1909
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Residence town Lynton
Collections from Great Britain, England
Registry Exeter

From original - CHARLEY John of woodlands Lynton Devonshire retired Major General Kings Royal Rifles died 23 November 1909 Probate Exeter 18 December to Jesse Mary charley widow Effects £186 5s 1d

You can search probate records for free and order wills through this site -
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

John Charley
in the Devon, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1920
Name: John Charley
Death Age: 70
Birth Date: 1839
Death Date: 1909
Burial Date: 26 Nov 1909
Burial Place: Lynton, Devon, England
Religion: Anglican


CHARLEY, JOHN 70
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in BARNSTAPLE Volume 05B Page 281

So if this is the record you have for him in 1901 - they are in Lynton which is Barnstaple Reg. District

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Woodlands, Lynton, Barnstaple, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Charley Head Married Male 61 1840 Retired major genl infty Combe Martin, Devon, England
Jessie Mary Charley Wife Married Female 44 1857 - Norfolk, England

Thanks ArgyllGran

Gosh thats a bit confusing. I know he married Jessie Mary Paramore.

Thanks for that information .

Jane

This looks like him in 1841 with Mary but with ? Grandmother or even Gt Grandma?

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Barton Cottage, Berrynarbor, Barnstaple, Devon, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Mary Charley Female 70 1771 Devon, England
Mary Charley Female 4 1837 Devon, England
John Charley Male 2 1839 Devon, England
Mary Smith Female 15 1826 Devon, England
William Dennel Male 50 1791 Devon, England

OK - for an idea of time, ages and place

John Charley married Jane Crang 22 Mar 1836 in Combe Martin, Devon

They baptised John Crang Charley 21 Jul 1838 in Combe Martin (Father a Yeoman)

Also a Mary Charley baptised 17 Dec 1836

Yes, Ancestry seems to have mixed up two different family notices

(It does say " The facts in this collection were found using artificial intelligence technology and may contain errors." )

From BNA:

DEATHS CHARLEY.—On 4th December, at Reading, Jessie Mary, widow ot Major General John Crang Charley (late Kings Royal Rifle Corps), and daughter of the late Rev. J. H. Paramore, Rector of Dunterton. Until recently of Coulsworthy, Combe Martin. By her desire, no flowers, mourning, or letters please.

Published: Thursday 07 December 1950
Newspaper: North Devon Journal




MARRIAGE ROWE/ BALMENT. December 2nd, at Muddiford Congregational Church, William Gerald Rowe, eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. J. Rowe, of Woolacombe, to Winifred Mary Balment, eldest daughter of Mr. and. . . . . .

Published: Thursday 07 December 1950
Newspaper: North Devon Journal

Are you perhaps seeing the record which is appears to be of the death of William Gerald Rowe?

Although, 1950 seems rather early for John to be openly the spouse of Gerald - must be a mistranscription.

William Geraid Rowe
in the UK and Ireland, Newspapers.com™ Obituary Index, 1800s-current
Name: William Geraid Rowe
Gender: Male
Death Age: 92
Birth Date: abt 1858
Residence Place: Eastbourne
Death Date: 2 Dec 1950
Death Place: 5, Rock Avenue, Barnstaple
Burial Date: 4 Dec
Burial Place: Plymouth
Obituary Date: 7 Dec 1950
Obituary Place: Barnstaple, Devon, England
Newspaper Title: The North Devon Journal - Herald
Father:
J. Rowe
Parents: Winifred Mary Balment
Spouse:
John Crang Charley
Child:
J. H. Paramore
Hilda
Laura

I am not sure when he died. I have him in Barnstable on the 1901 census.

I didn't know there was newspapers on here. So I will have to look into that.

Greyghost His name is John Crang Charley. His parents were John Charley and Jane Crang.

Sorry I didn't realse I had put Chorley. The chorleys are a different part of my tree so Its quite confusing.

Thank you both for helping me

Jane

John Crang Chorley or John Crang of/at Chorley?