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Thank you every one for your hard work I can only do so much at least I think I can
put to bed the Italian connection.
One thing I have learnt so many secrets

That birth is the one for which the OP has been given details, and I have asked him to find out who registered the event. If he does, it may prove enlightening.

1861 says Ellen was born in Manchester - but we have no proof of that.


??? another possibility - also without proof.:

Ellen Hickey
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Ellen Hickey
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil parish: Manchester
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Manchester
Sub-registration district: St George
Neighbors:
Piece: 575
Book: 15
Folio: 17
Page number: 29
Household Members Age
James Collings 25
Margret Collings 25
Hannah Collings 5
John Collings 2
Ellen Hickey 6

There is a Mary Ellen Seymore registered in Manchester Sept 1858. 8d/225

Might be worth getting that birth certificate.

If it is Ellen on the 1850 Census aged 8 then then it is possible it was her because Mary Ellen was born in 1858 which would make her 16 so possible making it up
Who knows.

The 1863 death suggested by Nameslessone was that of a baby:

SEYMOUR, WILLIAM 0
GRO Reference: 1863 D Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 193


Possibly this birth:

SEYMOUR, WILLIAM HENRY -
GRO Reference: 1863 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 150


Another William Seymour was born in Manchester in 1863, mmn Dunlay, but he's with his parents and siblings in censuses.

Ask that person to tell you who registered the birth

And try looking for the supposed marriage

I don't have the birth certificate someone sent me Mary Ellen Seymore born
21/061858 father William Seymore, ( Hawker). mother Ellen Seymore ( Nee )
Hickey.So I am as confused as you .

Thanks Erika, the address is split on my IPad and I didn’t spot it.

What occupation is given for William on the birth certificate? Please bear in mind that unless William is also on the baptismal register he may be a figment of Ellen’s imagination. Which may explain why we cant find him on the census, so far. Being Catholic it might not be possible to find the baptismal record.

Added. Freebmd have a death for a William Seymour in Manchester in 1863 no age given.

The poster quotes DoB and address in OP

Do you actually have the birth certificate, because the Census safc found shows Ellen Hickey as unmarried.

Are you going to tell us why you think Ellen Hickey ever married?

Have you done anything about looking for a record of the alleged marriage?

My grand mother's mother was born in 1858 Seymour her mother's maiden name Hickey
So I still think you are on the right road thank for keep looking

Previous Dwelling Next Dwelling Printable Format
Details of the location of the dwelling
Census County District Civil Parish Ecclesiastical Parish Piece Enumeration District Folio Page Schedule House Number House or Street Name
1861 Lancashire (LAN) London Road Manchester St Paul 2948 23 96 5 37 83 Port St


Details of each person in the dwelling
Surname Forenames Relationship Marital Status Sex Age Occupation Birth County Birth Place Disability Notes
HICKEY Ellen Lodger U F 24 Cap Maker Lancashire Manchester
HICKEY Mary E - - F 2 Lancashire Manchester

Samuel

Unless you know that it is Thomas & Bridget I wouldn’t count on it. I found several more Ellen Hickeys living in Manchester and several dying in the 184O,s.

Like Erika, I haven’t found a Seymour/ Hickey marriage.

Namelessone .
What you said makes sense thank you so so very much
I new I could rely on my friends on Genes Community
You have helped me in the past.
Also all the info You have all
Sam done for me on this thread
A relative sent me Devani as Italian this turned out to be Indian maiden name
My husband suggested Devanney Irish and you proved it

You say Ellen married Seymour - PROOF, please

You haven't answered any of the questions I posed....................they have a purpose, not just idle curiosity

her marriage

Marriage: 5 Jul 1879 St Joseph, Ancoats, Lancashire, England
Joanem Wade -
Mariam Helenam Seymour -
Groom's Father: Richardi Wade
Bride's Father: Gulielmi Seymour ----------------
Witness: James Griffin; Anna McGee
Married by: Salvator Carruccio
Register: Marriages 1856 - 1885
Source: Original Register at LRO Preston