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This is just a question please, I have this 1911 census for Mary Honour/Honor Humphreys, where it states there were 12 children, 8 have died, 4 survived.

Is there any way of finding out who the 8 children were please. I tried GRO and Free BMD, and other trees on Ancestry, but the names are so common. If you have any ideas I would be grateful. I don't even know which of her 2 marriages they would relate to.

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NameMary Hanor HumphreysAge in 191143Estimated Birth Year1868Relation to HeadWifeGenderFemaleBirth PlacePenzance, Cornwall, EnglandCivil parishEglwysilanCounty/IslandGlamorganCountryWalesStreet Address58 High St Senghenydd Nr CardiffMarital StatusMarriedYears Married13Estimated Marriage Year1898Registration districtPontypriddRegistration District Number589Sub-registration districtEglwysilanED, institution, or vessel34Household schedule number321Piece32244Household members
NameJoseph HumphreysAge46NameMary Hanor HumphreysAge43NameThomas EvansAge35NameRoland DunfordAge26NameMoses ThomasAge25NameChristopher JonesAge22NameThomas JonesAge17NameElizabeth PuddyAge15NameWilliam HumphreysAge9
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Re-posting the 1911 above in a more readable form:

Mary Hanor Humphreys
in the 1911 Wales Census
Name: Mary Hanor Humphreys
Age in 1911: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Penzance, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Eglwysilan
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 58 High St Senghenydd Nr Cardiff
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 13
Estimated Marriage Year: 1898
Registration District: Pontypridd
Registration District Number: 589
Sub-registration District: Eglwysilan
ED, institution, or vessel: 34
Household Schedule Number: 321
Piece: 32244
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Humphreys 46
Mary Hanor Humphreys 43
Christopher Jones 22 - son, Penrhiewceiber, Glamorgan, Wales
Thomas Jones 17 - son, Cilfynydd, Glamorgan, Wales
William Humphreys 9 - son, Senghenydd, Glamorgan, Wales
Roland Dunford 26 - boarder
Moses Thomas 25 - boarder
Thomas Evans 35 - lodger
Elizabeth Puddy 15 - servant

Thank you ArgyllGran, I don't know why it came out in that format.

I don't need to know anything about Mary, its the children. Because; I have always thought she was a relative, since my last post I found a lady on Ancestry who has her in her tree, Mary is her GG Aunt. I would have left it at that, until I discovered that we have a DNA match, so now I think I can be sure Mary was a relative. We are trying now to work through the children, without much success. The purpose is to discover how we are related.

Joseph and Mary's marriage:

Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%)
Humphreys Joseph Pontypridd 11a 605
Jones Mary Honour Pontypridd 11a 605

1911 says they had been married 13 years "in present marriage".


Mary's first marriage:

Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%)
JONES Evan Pontypridd 11a 699
MARTIN Mary Honour Pontypridd 11a 699

All correct, I have both marriage certificates.

It's always possible that Mary (who signed the 1911 form) was wrongly including children from her first marriage.

The family in previous censuses, for our reference re children:

Mary Honour Humphries
in the 1901 Wales Census
Name: Mary Honour Humphries
Age in 1901: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse: Joseph Humphries
Gender: Female
Where born: Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Eglwysilan
Town: Senghenydd
Ecclesiastical parish: Eglwysilan
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration District: Pontypridd
Sub-registration District: Eglwysilan
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 153
Piece: 5000
Folio: 41
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Humphries 39
Mary Honour Humphries 34
Susanah Jones 16
Christopher Jones 12
Thomas Jones 8
Joseph Humphrey 2


Mary H Jones
in the 1891 Wales Census
Name: Mary H Jones
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Evan Jones
Gender: Female
Where born: Luggan H, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Eglwysilan
Ecclesiastical parish: St Catherine
Town: Cilfynydd
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration District: Pontypridd
Sub registration district: Eglwysilan
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors:
Piece: 4411
Folio: 34
Page Number: 72
Household Members:
Name Age
Evan Jones 25
Mary H Jones 23
Susannah L Jones 6
Christopher Jones 2
David Wm Jones 7/12
Alfred Eyres 37 - lodger
Thomas Tucker 20 - lodger


Births of the children in the censuses:

JONES, DAVID WILLIAM mmn MARTIN
GRO Reference: 1890 D Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 370

JONES, CHRISTOPHER mmn MARTIN
GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 412

??
JONES, SUSANNA mmn MARTIN
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in HOLYWELL Volume 11B Page 244

JONES, THOMAS mmn MARTIN
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 470

I don't see William Humphreys's birth so far. [ EDIT: sorry, I meant Joseph, who is in the 1901 census]

I did wonder if he was William Jones.

Joseph Humphreys, who is on the 1901 census:

HUMPHREYS, JOSEPH mmn MARTIN
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 550

??
Deaths Mar 1903 (>99%)
Humphreys Joseph 4 Pontypridd 11a 265


I don't see any other Humphreys (with that spelling) births with mmn Martin, with corresponding deaths, 1897-1911.


There are a few which might be possible, if wrong surname put as mmn, as sometimes happened:

???
HUMPHREYS, ALBERT JAMES mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 564

Deaths Mar 1898 (>99%)
Humphreys Albert James 0 Pontypridd 11a 341


???
HUMPHREYS, JOHN mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 700

Deaths Sep 1904 (>99%)
Humphreys John 0 Pontypridd 11a 267


??
HUMPHREYS, NORAH mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1905 M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 715

Deaths Sep 1905 (>99%)
Humphreys Norah 0 Pontypridd 11a 338


???
HUMPHREYS, MAGLONA mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1906 M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 575

Deaths Sep 1908 (>99%)
HUMPHREYS Maglona 2 Pontypridd 11a 261


???
HUMPHREYS, REGINALD STANLEY mmn JONES
GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 615

Deaths Mar 1911 (>99%)
Humphreys Reginald S 3 Pontypridd 11a 376

See what you mean, she may have thought her maiden name was Jones per the previous marriage.

Possible child of the first marriage - but as you say, the names are so common.
Only the certs would confirm or not:

JONES, MARY ISABELLA mmn MARTIN
GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 489

Deaths Mar 1897 (>99%)
Jones Mary Isabella 0 Pontypridd 11a 293

Its like her first husband Evan Jones, MC says Fathers name Evan Jones, and then her 2nd husband Joseph Humphreys, MC says Fathers name John Humphreys. If there were more middle names it might help.