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I am trying to find out more on an Elizabeth Johns, born 1880 at Huggate, East Yorkshire. Parents, William and Sarah Johns. She had 5 children, 3 survived-
Annie Johns b. 1900
George Johns b. 1902
Arthur Johns b 1909
They were all born in Pocklington workhouse. The two boys were discharged in 1914, but have no idea what happened to them after that.
Elizabeth married John William Lee in Nov 1914. His father was called Robert Lee, a blacksmith.
I believe they moved to the Northallerton area as I found possible burial info on Elizabeth at Bellerby in 1957.
I cannot find the registration of either Elizabeth of John's deaths to be able to get a certificate or where John Lee was born.
Any help would be very much appreciated. Thank you.

For our info -

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
?, Huggate, Pocklington, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (East Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Johns Head Married Male 28 1853 Farm lab Driffield, Yorkshire, England
Sarah Johns Wife Married Female 24 1857 - Garton, Yorkshire, England
Annie Johns Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Huggate, Yorkshire, England
Martha Johns Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Huggate, Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Johns Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Huggate, Yorkshire, England

Elizabeth aged 11 months on original of census

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1873 (>99%)
Holiday Sarah Anne Pocklington 9d 145
Holliday Sarah Anne Pocklington 9d 145
Johns William Pocklington 9d 145

Not seeing a birth registration for their children - Sarah would only have been c16 at marriage

1911 census has Elizabeth as an inmate of the workhouse

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Johns
Registration district Pocklington
Relationship Inmate
Registration district number 518
Marital status Single
Sub district Pocklington
Sex Female
Sub district number 2
Age 32
Enumeration district 7
Age as transcribed 32
Archive reference RG14
Birth year 1879
Piece number 28486
Birth place Yorks Huggate
Schedule 228
Birth place as transcribed Yorks Huggate
Census reference RG14PN28486 RG78PN1633 RD518 SD2 ED7 SN228
Occupation Formerly gen dom servant
RG 78 piece number 1633
Institution name Union Workhouse
Other household member first name(s) -
Full address Pocklington Yorkshire, Pocklington, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (East Riding), England

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Also in the Workhouse -
George Johns aged 9
Arthur Johns aged 2

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? Annie with Grandparents

1911 Census For England & Wales
Huggate York, Huggate, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (East Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Johnson Blanchard Head Married Male 45 1866 Agricultural labourer Yorkshire Huggate
Annie Johns Granddaughter - Female 10 1901 School Yorkshire Huggate
Albert Blanchard Grandson - Male 3 1908 - Yorkshire Huggate
Sarah Ann Blanchard Wife Married Female 54 1857 - Yorkshire Huggate

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
JOHNS, ANNIE -
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in POCKLINGTON Volume 09D Page 75

JOHNS, GEORGE -
GRO Reference: 1902 S Quarter in POCKLINGTON Volume 09D Page 73

JOHNS, ARTHUR -
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in POCKLINGTON Volume 09D Page 72

?? Northallerton doesn't include Bellerby in it's RD, but only about 20 miles apart

Deaths Sep 1957 (>99%)
LEE Elizabeth 77 Northallerton 1b 629

Do you have the marriage cert. What was John's marital status and
What age was John William Lee and what was his occupation - ? possible to find them on the 1939 register

EDIT - an ancestry tree has him born c1871 and death 1.11.1936 Northallerton, buried St John the Evangelist, Bellerby
There is not a death reg. to fit that unless died out of area

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Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Dec 1936
Lee John W 65 Darlington 10a 22

The same tree also has Elizabeth death 8.7.1957 Northallerton and buried same place as John

Do you have an exact DoB for Elizabeth?

Did she have children with LEE?

1939??????

Pear Tree Cottages, Leyburn, Leyburn R.D., Yorkshire (North Riding), England

Elizabeth Lee 19 Apr 1880 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 10 1
The record for this person is officially closed.

Alice Macintyre (Keddie) 14 Oct 1919 Female Unpaid Household Duties Married 10 3

???????
Births Jun 1917 (>99%)
Lee William Johns Leyburn 9d 1033
Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
Lee Sarah A Johns Leyburn 9d 1300
Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
Lee Robert Johns Leyburn 9d 1215

There is a photo of the Headstone at Bellerby it reads

In loving memory of
Elizabeth Lee
Died July 8th 1957
Aged 77 Years
Also
John William Lee
Died November 1st 1936
Aged 65 Years

At Rest

Cemetery: St John the Evangelist Churchyard
Burial or Cremation Place: Bellerby, Richmondshire District, North Yorkshire, England

George
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Johns
County Yorkshire (East Riding)
Birth year 1902
Country England
Birth date 22 Jul 1902
Archive Borthwick Institute for Archives
Baptism year 1902
Archive reference PR POCK 74
Baptism date ? Oct 1902
Page 46
Baptism place Pocklington
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms

1939

Station Road, Leyburn, Leyburn R.D., Yorkshire (North Riding), England

Household members (2 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
George Johns 22 Jul 1901 Male Boiler Man Preparatory School Married 68 1
Bertha Johns 16 Apr 1908 Female Unpaid Household Duties Married 68 2

George
District Northallerton
Last name Johns
Register number 1184
Gender Male
County Yorkshire
Birth day 22
Volume 2
Birth month 7
Page 2258
Birth year 1902
Country England

Not sure how old John was, but I believe he was a joiner.

I think Elizabeth was born in April 1800, but cannot be sure and I have no idea if her and John had children.

George Johns - from Ancestry tree

Born 22.7.1902

1911 - Workhouse

1932 - Married Bertha Walker Leyburn RD

1984 - Death Northallerton

Same tree has this as the birth registration of Elizabeth

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
JONES, ELIZABETH HOLLIDAY
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in POCKLINGTON Volume 09D Page 77

This is very interesting info everyone, thanks.
No wonder I couldn't find her birth, as it's Jones rather than Johns, but that fits as her mother was Sarah Ann Holliday.

No sign of George's brother Arthur anywhere? As they left the workhouse at the same time together.

Name: John William Lee
Birth Date: 1871
Death Date: 1 Nov 1936
Cemetery: St John the Evangelist Churchyard
Burial or Cremation Place: Bellerby, Richmondshire District, North Yorkshire, England
Has Bio?: N

Name: John William Lee
Registration Year: 1871
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Sheffield
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 364

??
These births are on freebmd but not on the GRO site to give mmn

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Dec 1874 (>99%)
JONES Anne Pocklington 9d 63

Births Dec 1876 (>99%)
JONES Martha Pocklington 9d 70

Name: John William Lee
Birth Date: 1871
Death Date: 1 Nov 1936
Cemetery: St John the Evangelist Churchyard
Burial or Cremation Place: Bellerby, Richmondshire District, North Yorkshire, England
Has Bio?: N

Name: John William Lee
Registration Year: 1871
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Sheffield
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 364

Is this the death of William Johns?

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Jun 1884 (>99%)
Johns William 33 Pocklington 9d 51

and the remarriage of Sarah Ann??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Mar 1888 (>99%)
BLANSHARD William Johnson Pocklington 9d 99
JOHNS Sarah Ann Pocklington 9d 99

Ah yes, that sounds right for William Johns, and Sarah did marry William Blanchard.
I don't know much more about him either.

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BLANSHARD, EMILY HOLLIDAY
GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in POCKLINGTON Volume 09D Page 73

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Marside, Huggate, Pocklington, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (East Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William J Blanchard Head Married Male 25 1866 Agricultural labourer Huggate, Yorkshire, England
Sarah A Blanchard Wife Married Female 34 1857 - Garton, Yorkshire, England
Elizabeth Johns Stepdaughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar Huggate, Yorkshire, England
William H Johns Stepson - Male 6 1885 Scholar Huggate, Yorkshire, England
Emily Blanchard Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Huggate, Yorkshire, England


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

North Road Marside, Huggate, Pocklington, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (East Riding),
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William J Blanchard Head Married Male 35 1866 Agricultural labourer Huggate, Yorkshire, England
Sarah A Blanchard Wife - Female 44 1857 - Garton, Yorkshire, England
Emily Blanchard Daughter - Female 12 1889 - Huggate, Yorkshire, England
Annie Johns Grand daur in law - Female 0 1901 - Pocklington, Yorkshire, England


Grand daughter in law would also mean step grand-daughter

Greyghost posted births for Anne and Martha Jones, and said they weren't on the GRO site.
But they are:

JONES, ANNE mmn HOLLIDAY
GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in POCKLINGTON Volume 09D Page 63

JONES, MARTHA mmn HOLLIDAY
GRO Reference: 1876 D Quarter in POCKLINGTON Volume 09D Page 70