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Derek
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9 Aug 2021 21:43 |
I have come up to a dead end in trying to find something about parentage of my Great Grandmother. She was born Elizabeth May and I believe in Maidstone Kent. in 1871 census she was listed as Mistress to Jesse James Paul Honey b 1847 with baby son Jesse James Paul. Junior) Jesse Senior died in Jan 1873 ( Bomb Alley King street Maidstone. ) She later co habitted with my Grandfather Robert Wilson b 1849 d 1892 ,She had a son Robert John May b 1877 ( later adopted as Wilson) assume originally illigitimate son ) in 1878 they had a second son Thomas Wilson. Robert and Elizabeth Married in Aug 1878 with 6 further children. Robert was a barge captain dying in a river accident at Maidstone Nov 4th 1892 leaving a large family including my future grandmother. Alas i have nothing or can find no records for Elizabeth May / Honey / Wilson - she died in Bonneys Yard King Street Maidstone - this was a poor housing area of Victorian terraced cottages and I believe Bomb Alley may well have been in close proximity. It would be nice to establish parentage and siblings of Elizabeth May. I have suspicions she may have links to the river transport and barges with dubious parentage and may be why she doesn't appear in official records unless i have missed a trick. Jesse senior and Junior were both bargees. I would appreciate any help and express my thanks in anticipation.
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greyghost
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9 Aug 2021 22:47 |
IF this is her birth registration it indicates that her surname is the same as her Mother's ie illegitimate Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: MAY, ELIZABETH - GRO Reference: 1851 D Quarter in MAIDSTONE Volume 05 Page 359
In which case you may never know her Father's name.
The certificate would at least give her Mother's name to help place her maternal line
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KathleenBell
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9 Aug 2021 22:48 |
Could this birth be a possibility? :-
First name(s) Elizabeth Last name May Birth quarter 4 Birth year 1851 Mother's maiden name May District Maidstone County Kent Country England Volume V Page 359 Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006 Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Civil Births Collections from Great Britain, England
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KathleenBell
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9 Aug 2021 22:49 |
SNAP, greyghost :-)
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greyghost
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9 Aug 2021 22:49 |
For out INFO - the census you site
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Bomb Alley, Maidstone, Kent, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Jesse Honey Head - Male 24 1847 Bargeman Kent, England Elizabeth May Mistress - Female 20 1851 Mill Hand, Kent, England Jesse May Son - Male 0 1871 - Kent, England
All said to be born in Maidstone
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greyghost
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9 Aug 2021 22:53 |
Evening Kathleen!
Jesse James birth reg.
MAY, JESSE JAMES - GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in MAIDSTONE Volume 02A Page 627
and that of Robert John
MAY, ROBERT JOHN - GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in MAIDSTONE Volume 02A Page 641
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greyghost
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9 Aug 2021 22:59 |
Do you have the certificate - does she name a Father and his occupation when she marries in 1878 ??
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greyghost
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9 Aug 2021 23:11 |
1881 census wrongly transcribed - Jesse James and Robert John do not have the surname Wilson, the original shows them as MAY
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census 2, Havock Place, Maidstone, Kent, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Robert Wilson Head Married Male 31 1850 Captain of barge Holbrook, Suffolk, England Elizabeth Wilson Wife Married Female 28 1853 Wife of captain of barge Maidstone, Kent, England Jesse James Paul Honey May Wilson Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Maidstone, Kent, England Robert John May Wilson Son Single Male 4 1877 - Maidstone, Kent, England Thomas Wilson Son Single Male 2 1879 - Maidstone, Kent, England
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greyghost
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9 Aug 2021 23:19 |
Several trees on Ancestry, but none name her Mother, never mind a Father
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Derek
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10 Aug 2021 01:07 |
Many Thanks everyone - I think it confirms that Elizabeth was illegitimate as was her first son Jesse James Paul May - she must have lived as partner with Jesse Senior giving the son Honey surname although i can find no record of a marriage. Jesse senior dies in Jan 1873 when his son is a little over 1 year old - I have no idea what he suddenly died of, but if his job was a bargee and a dangerous occupation it could be he died by drowning or accident. I remember some story of him dying in the Port of London, but this may have been confused with Robert Wilson's later accident and drowning in Maidstone. I believe Elizabeth May lived with Robert Wilson for awhile as she had a son Robert John May( again illegitimate ) born in 1877 ( later called May Wilson, then officially Wilson after the marriage to Robert Wilson in Aug.1878. She would have known the Honeys and the Wilsons by association via barges and river work and location in Bonneys Yard area of poor housing in King Street Maidstone. Alas with illegitimacy, tracing parentage is impossible. Sadly it closes that route.
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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10 Aug 2021 05:30 |
You can get his death cert for its info
Still a young man too !
Jesse James P Honey Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Death Registration Place: North Aylesford, Kent, United Kingdom Death Date: Mar 1873 Inferred Death Place: Kent, United Kingdom Volume: 2a Page: 257
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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10 Aug 2021 05:38 |
This looks like Elizabeth baptism
Maybe the second name refers to a father!
Elizabeth Gammon May Gender: Female Christening Date: 21 Dec 1851 Christening Place: Aylesford, Kent, England Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map: View this parish Mother: Mercy Ann May Search Photos: Search for 'Aylesford' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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10 Aug 2021 05:42 |
Mother was quite old to be having yoing children if the census is correct
Mary Ann May [Mercy Ann May] Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Aylesford, Kent, England Civil Parish: Aylesford Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Kent Country: England
Street Address:Bowling Alley >>>>>>>>
Occupation:pauper Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: Malling Sub-registration District: Aylesford ED, institution, or vessel: 3a Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 110 Piece: 1612 Folio: 50 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age Mary Ann May 60 Stephen May 18 William May 16 Jessa May 14 Sarah May 12 Henry May 4
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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10 Aug 2021 05:43 |
George May Gender: Male Marriage Date: 13 Apr 1826 Marriage Place: Aylesford, Kent, England Spouse: Mary Anne Jarrett FHL Film Number: 1469269 IT 8-9
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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10 Aug 2021 05:49 |
Mercy Jarret Gender: Female Baptism Date: 13 Oct 1805 Baptism Place: Aylesford,Kent,England Father: Thos Jarret Mother: Sarah FHL Film Number: 416879
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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10 Aug 2021 05:51 |
Death
Mercy May Age: 90 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Death Registration Place: Malling, Kent, United Kingdom Death Date: Dec 1895 Inferred Death Place: Kent, United Kingdom Volume: 2a Page: 346
So she was a lot younger than stated on the 1851 census !
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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10 Aug 2021 05:57 |
Living with a son in 1871
Mercy A May Age: 66 Estimated Birth Year: 1805 Relation: Mother Gender: Female Where born: Aylesford Kent England Civil parish: Aylesford Town: Aylesford County/Island: Kent Country: England Registration district: Malling Sub-registration district: Aylesford ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 176 Piece: 915 Folio: 58 Page number: 33 Household Members Age Relationship Henry May 23 Head Mary E May 20 Wife William I May 1/12 Son Mercy A May 66 Mother
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Derek
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10 Aug 2021 09:56 |
Thank you so much, this could well be Elizabeths Mother and father. Obviously some intrigued and false reporting on ages lol. Does seem that the family were poor. I still believe they were linked to river transport.
Many thanks i will try and get my head around the information and further my investigations.
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LondonBelle
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10 Aug 2021 09:59 |
There is the following Baptism which I keep coming back too
First name(s) Elizabeth Gammon Last name May Baptism date 21 Dec 1851 Baptism year 1851 Place Aylesford, Ss Peter & Paul Residence Aylesford Mother's first name(s) Mercy Anne Mother's last name May Mother's occupation Widow County Kent Country England
Aylesford is in the Maidstone Registration District.
I can't see a Birth Registration for Elizabeth Gammon May.
There is no Father named on the Baptism image. Normally if the spouse had died before the birth it would give his name with deceased after it.
Could Mercy Ann have said she was a Widow to save face?
Could the middle name Gammon be the father's surname?
EDIT
I see Shirley has already come up with this possibility :-)
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Kucinta
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10 Aug 2021 11:58 |
Jesse Honey apparently had a widow and large family when he drowned in 1873.
Dover Express 10th Jan 1873
At an early hour on Friday morning Jesse Honey residing in Windmill Row Maidstone captain of the barge Union fell overboard in Limestone-reach and was drowned before assistance could reach him not withstanding that every effort was made to reach him. The deceased has left a widow and a large family.
EDIT, it's most curious, the details of barge captain and Windmill Row and large family tally better with Jesse Honey's father, also Jesse Honey, married to Frances Elizabeth, last child baptised 1873 (Kent baptisms FMP), Jesse James Paul was the eldest to be baptised, but the age at death , as posted by Shirley, ties in with Elizabeth's Jesse James Paul Honey.
Father died 1878, ties in with his birth c1818 on 1871 census
Deaths Dec 1878 HONEY Jesse 61 Maidstone 2a 409
It's almost like someone got the two Jesses mixed up in the news report, unless Jesse J P had gone back to his family in Windmill Row, with or without Elizabeth.
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