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Hi I am helping a friend to find some of her family details
Her Grandfather was Thomas Nelson b3/5/1903? his wife Mary Winifred M England b 23/10/1908 Torquay they married 1932 in Sunderland, Durham
Thomas and his son Robert were Royal Navy as stated in Roberts marriage cert
I am trying to find the deaths of Thomas and Mary
there is a death Mary Dorothy m England b 23/10/1908 death 1974 Birmingham same birth wrong name Dorothy?
1939 I believe Mary and Robert are living in Sunderland living in the same street Robert as on his marriage cert
1939 Gateshead Could this be Thomas Nelson 3/5/1903 seagoing living with Parents.

Ian

shows her full name
Name: Mary Winifred May England
Birth Date: 23 Oct 1908
Birth Place: Torquay
Military Date: 1915
Relationship to Soldier: Child
Form Title: Descriptive Report Enlistment
Other Records:
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Charles England Self (Head)
Annie Connett Spouse
Ellen Louisa England Child
Lilian Margaret Rose England Child
Mary Winifred May England Child
Agnes Maud England Child

The 1939 you mention for Thomas is a SINGLE man

And he’s a sea-going engineer - not a Royal Navy seaman

The 1974 death is NOT relevant. Mary Dorothy H ENGLAND.

the woman is on 1939 register in Birmingham with her husband

Was the father known to be alive when the son married? When was that - and where?

Are you guessing Thomas’s DoB? Where was he born?

The 1932 marriage cert would seem to be vital

all,
Thank you for clearing that up for me I will amend my findings
I got the birth in 1939 record so we now know that is wrong sorry about that.


Ian :-)

Please forgive my mistakes
Robert Charles Nelson b 8/5/1933 Sunderland I found a death 1993 Crawley?. He married in 1954 in Greenock, Scotland.
Mother deceased father Reg Soldier, not Sailor sorry
Roberts address 24 Henry street, Sunderland

Ian

In 1939 records show I believe Mary and Robert living in Henry Street form this I got a birth date

Could this be Mary's death?
NAME: Mary Nelson
BIRTH:1908
DEATH: Apr 1943 Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland, England

Unlikely - the age is wrong

Not querying Mary’s birth - querying Thomas’s, which you clearly don’t have

Can’t begin to look for his death without knowing when he was born. His age (if he gave it accurately) will be on his marriage cert - as will his father’s details (if known)

ENGLAND, MARY WINIFRED MAY CONNETT
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in NEWTON ABBOT Volume 05B Page 124

The woman’s DoB is confirmed by her father’s WW1 Record (posted above) and her baptism, which is on FMP

You need the cert for its info

Mary W M England
Registration Date: Oct 1932
[Nov 1932]
[Dec 1932]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Sunderland
Inferred County: Durham
Spouse: Thomas Nelson
Volume Number: 10a
Page Number: 1348

Several children born


Jun 1933
Nelson Robert C England Sunderland 10a 1009
Births Sep 1934
Nelson Rosemary England Sunderland 10a 877
Births Jun 1936
NELSON Thomas England Sunderland 10a 1045
Births Sep 1940
Nelson Edward England Sunderland 10a 1547

1939 register

Thomas
Last name(s) Nelson
DOB 10 Feb 1936
Birth day 10
Birth month 2
Birth year 1936
Sex Male
Occupation Under School Age
Marital status Single
Place Sunderland C.B.
Schedule 1
Schedule Sub Number 67
Address Grindon Hall Sanstorium, Grindon , Sunderland, Sunderland
E. D. letter code FDUQ
Borough / District Sunderland C.B.
County Durham
County Durham
Country England
Piece number 2729J
Item number 4
Line number 23
Category Census, land & surveys

1939;reg

1939 Register
30 Henry Street East, Sunderland, Sunderland C.B., Durham, England
Robert Nelson 08 May 1933 Male At School Single 247 1
Mary Nelson 23 Oct 1908 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 247 2

Edit

Records open that usually means deaths have been picked up

Hi All,
Thank you for your super help I will order the Marriage certificate tomorrow.

Again thank you

regards
Ian

Looks like Rosemary death

NELSON, ROSEMARY 1934
GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2014 in EAST RIDING OF YORKSHIRE (541-1E) Entry Number 510998710

Thomas junior death

Thomas Nelson
Death Age: 65
Birth Date: 10 Feb 1936
Registration Date: Sep 2001
Registration District: Sunderland
Inferred County: Tyne and Wear
Register Number: A68E
District and Subdistrict: 0581A
Entry Number: 23

As Mary died between 1939 and 1954, there are only two possibilities - the 1943 Newcastle death which you've posted, and this one:

Deaths Sep 1942 (>99%)
Nelson Mary 34 Scarbro' 9d 244

Geographically, the Newcastle death looks by far the more likely of the two, but only the cert will tell you definitely.