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25 Jun 2021 18:40 |
catherine mcgunnigal married andrew kenna in glasgow 1910 census 1911 has them staying at garningadhill glasgow can anyone help with catherine she was possibly born in ireland we know nothing of her ancestors any help appriciated thanks
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25 Jun 2021 18:43 |
Have you found her marriage on Scotland’s people? That should give you details of her parents which will make finding her birth easier.
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ArgyllGran
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25 Jun 2021 18:49 |
For our reference -
Marriage
KENNA ANDREW MCGUNNIGLE CATHERINE 1910 644/5 55 Garngadhill
They had a number of children, whom you probably know about.
1911 census-
KENNA ANDREW 1911 M 20 644/5 18/ 16 Garngadhill Lanark
KENNA CATHERINE 1911 F 19 644/5 18/ 16 Garngadhill Lanark
If you spend a few credits on SP to look at the 1911 image, it will tell you where she was born.
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25 Jun 2021 18:53 |
Her death:
KENNA [ also listed as McGunnigle ] CATHERINE 51 1943 644/1 268 Shettleston
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ArgyllGran
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25 Jun 2021 18:56 |
One possibility - but just a suggestion -
Catherine McGonnigle in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901 Name: Catherine McGonnigle Gender: Female Marital Status: Single Age: 8 Birth Date: abt 1893 Birth Place: Co Donegal Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901 House Number: 2 Residence Place: Glasbolie, Ballintra, Donegal, Ireland Relation to Head: Daughter Occupation: Scholar Religion: Roman Catholic Literacy: Read and write Household Members Age Relationship James McGonnigle 44 Head of Family (Head), farmer Hannah McGonnigle 39 Wife Mary McGonnigle 14 Daughter Hannah McGonnigle 12 Daughter John McGonnigle 10 Son Catherine McGonnigle 8 Daughter Patrick Jas McGonnigle 7 Son Annie McGonnigle 2 Daughter Daniel McGonnigle 1 Son
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ArgyllGran
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25 Jun 2021 19:00 |
But there's also this possibility:
Catherine McGunigle in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915 Name: Catherine McGunigle Registration Year: 1893 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration District: Liverpool Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 72
Bothrine Mc Gunigle in the 1901 England Census Name: Bothrine Mc Gunigle Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Father: Michael Mc Gunigle Mother: Margaret Mc Gunigle Birth Place: Liverpool Civil Parish: Liverpool Ecclesiastical parish: St Simon County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration District: Liverpool Sub-registration District: Islington ED, institution, or vessel: 08 Neighbors: Piece: 3422 Folio: 134 Page Number: 14 Household Schedule Number: 79 Household Members: Name Age Michael Mc Gunigle 55 Margaret Mc Gunigle 45 John Mc Gunigle 10 Bothrine Mc Gunigle 8 Thomas Cashen 40 Mary A Cashen 36
You need the marriage cert for her parents' names. It will cost you 6 credits to view the image of the marriage cert on SP.
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ErikaH
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25 Jun 2021 19:10 |
You refer to 1911 census…….her birthplace will be recorded on it
her parents will be named on the marriage cert, which you can download from SP website if you buy some units
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ArgyllGran
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25 Jun 2021 19:14 |
That will be another 6 credits to see the 1911 census.
Personally, I would opt first for the marriage cert, which will give the names of both parents, including mother's maiden name, and father's occupation.. Then perhaps the census as back-up, if her birth can't be traced from the parents' names
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caza
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25 Jun 2021 19:19 |
we know there were 4 children only one is recorded with mothers maiden name at death
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ArgyllGran
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25 Jun 2021 19:28 |
Assuming the births of children were registered in Garngadhill, there are these Kenna children (though they're not likely to be all the same family):
Agnes 1912 Thomas McGuinne[ss] 1913 Charlotte 1914 Henry 1915 - also died 1915 Andrew 1917 - that's the one with mmn recorded at death Ellen 1921 Elizabeth McLau. . . . 1925 Joseph 1927 Agnes Richardson 1928 Joseph 1929 Margaret Brogan 1930 Rosina 1931 Thomas R 1932 Thomas 1933
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caza
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25 Jun 2021 19:36 |
twins l picked up wrong took it down agnes b in garngadhill 2nd in hutchesetown 3rd in garngadhill 4 th in dennistoun
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25 Jun 2021 21:12 |
Name: Andrew Kenna Gender: Male Enlistment Age: 23 Birth Date: abt 1892 Marriage Date: 6 May 1910 Marriage Place: Glasgow Document Date: 1915 Residence Place: 262 Garngad Rd, Glasgow Military Date: 1915 Relationship to Soldier: Self (Head) Regimental Number: 3951 Regiment Name: Highland Light Infantry Number of Images: 53 Form Title: Short Service Attestation Other Records: Search for 'Andrew Kenna' in other WWI collections Family Members: Name Relation to Soldier Andrew Kenna Self (Head) Catherine McGonigle Spouse Agnes Kenna Child
Agnes b Glasgow 06.12.12, Henry b 11.04.15 at Gibb St, Glasgow d 19 Sept 1915 at 29 Gibb St, Andrew b 06.06.17 in Glasgow and Catherine b 16.01.22 in Glasgow.
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caza
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25 Jun 2021 21:37 |
many thanks for this henry we didnt know about they also had a son patrick in 1913
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caza
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25 Jun 2021 21:56 |
marriage certificate shows catherines parents were james and catherine,1911 census had a james mcgonnigle 40along with henry 3 and thomas 5 but they are related to head of house as brothers ,thought james was a mistake in age but no hes a glassblower this is throwing up more questions than answers
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25 Jun 2021 22:18 |
The 1911 census by working the Scotlands People system
Note spelling here - McGunnigle
Surname Forename Year Gender Age at Census Ref RD Name County/ City Image View
KENNA ANDREW 1911 M 20 644/5 18/ 16 Garngadhill Lanark
KENNA CATHERINE 1911 F 19 644/5 18/ 16 Garngadhill Lanark
MCGUNNIGLE HENRY 1911 M 3 644/5 18/ 16 Garngadhill Lanark
MCGUNNIGLE JAMES 1911 M 40 644/5 18/ 16 Garngadhill Lanark
MCGUNNIGLE THOMAS 1911 M 5 644/5 18/ 16 Garngadhill Lanark
Either James is Father to Catherine and the children are her brothers or James is brother in law to Andrew and the children are perhaps his.
Do you have the full census you can post? Presume you have it if you can mention the relationships given
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25 Jun 2021 22:42 |
Army papers show his children as Agnes 16.12.12 Henry 11.4.15 died 19. ?.1915 Andrew 6.6.17 Catherine 16.1.22
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ArgyllGran
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25 Jun 2021 23:11 |
Births of he children on the 1911 census:
MCGUNNIGLE HENRY M 1907 644/5 1017 Garngadhill
(Probably this one) -
MCGUINNIGLE THOMAS M 1905 644/3 1016 Dennistoun
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ArgyllGran
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25 Jun 2021 23:37 |
Andrew Kenna in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962 Name: Andrew Kenna Residence Year: 1921 Address: 1835 [ 116 Drygate Street on image ] Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Parliamentary Division: Glasgow
Andrew and Mrs Catherine Kenna.
Amongst many other names of people living in the same tenement are James and Mrs Annie McGonigle.
Both couples still there in 1923.
By 1934, Andrew and Catherine are at 18 Sorn Street. 1939 - same address - Andrew & Catherine, and Andrew junior. 1949 - same address - Andrew & Catherine. Still there in 1962, which is as far as the Glasgow ERs go on Ancestry..
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caza
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26 Jun 2021 11:44 |
thank you for all the help
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ArgyllGran
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26 Jun 2021 12:50 |
Catherine's parents were James and Catherine, per her marriage cert. What was Catherine's father's occupation on the marriage cert? Does it say if he was deceased or not?
I'm wondering about this family - although Katie/Catherine's age is a couple of years out from that stated in 1911, and the age of the glassblower brother James is wildly different .
Katie McGunnigle in the 1901 Scotland Census Name: Katie McGunnigle Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relationship: Grandaughter (Granddaughter) Gender: Female Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 644/3 Registration district: Dennistoun Civil parish: Glasgow Townhead County: Lanarkshire Address: 63 Middleton Pl ED: 75 Household schedule number: 23 Line: 11 Roll: CSSCT1901_276 Household Members Age Relationship Isabella McGunnigle 70 Head Agnes McGunnigle 40 Daughter James McGunnigle 16 Grandson, glass bottle blower <<<<<<<<<<< Katie McGunnigle 11 Grandaughter (Granddaughter)
Catherine McGunnigal in the 1891 Scotland Census Name: Catherine McGunnigal Age: 10 Mos Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relationship: Daughter Mother's Name: Catherine Ferns McGunnigal Gender: Female Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 644/3 Registration district: Dennistoun Civil parish: Glasgow Townhead County: Lanarkshire Address: 45 Middleton Pl ED: 67 Household schedule number: 31 Line: 21 Roll: CSSCT1891_251 Household Members Age Relationship Catherine Ferns McGunnigal 25 Head, Glasgow, hawker James McGunnigal 6 Son Henry McGunnigal 4 9/Mo Son Catherine McGunnigal 10 Mos Daughter
Parents' marriage:
FERNS CATHERINE MCGONIGAL JAMES [ also listed as McGunigal ] 1885 644/3 6 Dennistoun
Births of children:
MCGUNNIGAL HENRY M 1886 644/3 1325 Dennistoun
MCGONIGAL JAMES M 1884 644/3 2070 Dennistoun
MCGUNNIGAL CATHERINE F 1890 644/3 1089 Dennistoun
I've had look at Catherine's birth cert -
Born June 5th 1890 at 45 Middleton Place. Father: James McGunnigal, journeyman bottle blower <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mother: Catherine McGunnigal, ms Ferns Parents' marriage: Dec 24th 1884, Glasgow.
Death of another sibling:
MCGUNNIGAL MARY 0 mmn FERNS 1889 644/3 1040 Dennistoun
James in 1911 can't be Catherine's father unless his age is wrong - if aged 40 in 1911, he would have been 14 when he married.
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