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ArgyllGran
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26 Jun 2021 16:40 |
I'm hooked, so used a few more credits and had a look at the birth cert for Henry, one of the McGunnigle children in 1911.
It looks as if the James McGonigle who is at the same address as the Kennas in 1921-23 (116 Drygate Street) , with Mrs Annie McGonigle, could be the James from 1911 census.
Henry McGunnigle. Born 14th Sept 1907, at 6am, at 50 Provanhill Street, Glasgow. Father: James McGunnigle, bottle blower, journeyman. Mother: Annie McGunnigle, ms Crumlish. Parents' marriage: 31 Dec 1901 in Glasgow.
Marriage:
CRUMLISH ANNIE MCGUNNIGLE JAMES 1902 644/6 38 St Rollox
But I'm not hooked enough to look at the marriage cert to see if James is Catherine Ferns's son!
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26 Jun 2021 16:20 |
Her mother's death:
DEVLIN [ also listed as McGUNNIGLE and as FERNS - so that's the right family above ] CATHERINE 49 1916 644/5 359 Garngadhill
I don't see James McGunnigle's death.
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26 Jun 2021 16:10 |
Hmmm - well, the glassblower in 1911 obviously isn't her father.
Her mother's remarriage:
MCGUNNIGLE CATHERINE DEVLIN JOHN 1905 644/6 185 St Rollox
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26 Jun 2021 15:54 |
her father is deceased and a glassblower at time of marriage mother is catherine devlin previously mcgunnigal maiden name cant make out
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26 Jun 2021 15:06 |
Looks like James and his sister Agnes in 1861 :
James McGinijall in the 1861 Scotland Census Name: James McGinijall Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relationship: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Airdrie, Lanark Registration Number: 651/1 Registration district: Airdrie Civil parish: New Monkland County: Lanarkshire Address: 53 Bell St ED: 9 Household schedule number: 48 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1861_117 Household Members Age Relationship Ann Collins 45 Head Elizabeth Erle 19 Boarder Catherine Duncan 1 Mo Boarder Agnes McGinijall 4 Boarder, Glasgow James McGinijall 1 Boarder , Airdrie
and their parents?
Isabella Mcgonagill in the 1861 Scotland Census Name: Isabella Mcgonagill Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relationship: Wife Spouse's Name: James Mcgonagill Gender: Female Where born: Airdrie, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 644/2 Registration district: High Church Civil parish: Glasgow Springburn County: Lanarkshire Address: 37 Middleton St Occupation: Weaver Cotten Factory ED: 24 Household schedule number: 28 Line: 18 Roll: CSSCT1861_98 Household Members Age Relationship James Mcgonagill 28 Head, Glasgow, tape dresser in cotton factory Isabella Mcgonagill 26 Wife
??? James senior (Catherine McGunnigle / Kenna's grandfather )
James McGonagal in the 1851 Scotland Census Name: James McGonagal Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833 Relationship: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Glasgow, Lanark Parish Number: 644/1 Civil Parish: Glasgow St Mungo County: Lanarkshire Address: 63 Garngad Road Occupation: Power Loom Twister ED: 40 Page: 7 Household Schedule Number: 19 Line: 4 Roll: CSSCT1851_159 Household Members: Name Age Helen McGonagal 50, Ireland, power loom weaver Bridget McGonagal 46 - sister, Ireland, power loom weaver Mary Mc McGonagal 35 - sister, Glasgow, power loom weaver James McGonagal 18 Maryon McGonagal 13 - niece, Glasgow
Bridget and Maryon in 1861:
Bridget Mcgonigal in the 1861 Scotland Census Name: Bridget Mcgonigal Age: 61 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1800 Relationship: Head Gender: Female Where born: Ireland Registration Number: 644/2 Registration district: High Church Civil parish: Glasgow Inner High County: Lanarkshire Address: 55 Drygate St Occupation: Power Loom Cotton Weaver ED: 3 Household schedule number: 65 Line: 14 Roll: CSSCT1861_98 Household Members Age Relationship Bridget Mcgonigal 61 Head Maron Mcgonigal 22 Niece - Glasgow, power loom cotton weaver Susan Dooly 32 - boarder, Ireland, general servant
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26 Jun 2021 13:29 |
James in 1871:
James McGunnagal in the 1871 Scotland Census Name: James McGunnagal Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relationship: Son Mother's Name: Bella McGunnagal Gender: Male Where born: Airdrie, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 644/2 Registration district: High Church Civil parish: Glasgow Townhead County: Lanarkshire Address: 108 Garngad Rd Occupation: Scholar ED: 20 Household schedule number: 41 Line: 3 Roll: CSSCT1871_125 Household Members Age Relationship Bella McGunnagal 42 Head, born Airdrie, cotton weaver Agnes McGunnagal 14 Daughter, Glasgow, tobacco worker James McGunnagal 11 Son, Airdrie, scholar Mary McGunnagal 9 Daugt , Glasgow, scholar
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26 Jun 2021 13:04 |
Aha! Here's James in 1881, with his mother:
So he would have been 48 in 1911, and c22 when he married in 1885.
James McGunnigle in the 1881 Scotland Census Name: James McGunnigle Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relationship: Son Mother's Name: Isabella McGunnigle Gender: Male Where born: Airdrie, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 644/3 Registration district: Dennistoun Civil parish: Glasgow Townhead County: Lanarkshire Address: 45 Middleton Place Occupation: Apprentice Bottle Blower <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ED: 62 Household schedule number: 31 Line: 23 Roll: cssct1881_221 Household Members Age Relationship Isabella McGunnigle 50 Head James McGunnigle 18 Son
Possibly his birth - if so, even older:
MCGINIGAL JAMES M 1860 651/1 90 Airdrie or New Monkland
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26 Jun 2021 12:50 |
Catherine's parents were James and Catherine, per her marriage cert. What was Catherine's father's occupation on the marriage cert? Does it say if he was deceased or not?
I'm wondering about this family - although Katie/Catherine's age is a couple of years out from that stated in 1911, and the age of the glassblower brother James is wildly different .
Katie McGunnigle in the 1901 Scotland Census Name: Katie McGunnigle Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relationship: Grandaughter (Granddaughter) Gender: Female Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 644/3 Registration district: Dennistoun Civil parish: Glasgow Townhead County: Lanarkshire Address: 63 Middleton Pl ED: 75 Household schedule number: 23 Line: 11 Roll: CSSCT1901_276 Household Members Age Relationship Isabella McGunnigle 70 Head Agnes McGunnigle 40 Daughter James McGunnigle 16 Grandson, glass bottle blower <<<<<<<<<<< Katie McGunnigle 11 Grandaughter (Granddaughter)
Catherine McGunnigal in the 1891 Scotland Census Name: Catherine McGunnigal Age: 10 Mos Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relationship: Daughter Mother's Name: Catherine Ferns McGunnigal Gender: Female Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 644/3 Registration district: Dennistoun Civil parish: Glasgow Townhead County: Lanarkshire Address: 45 Middleton Pl ED: 67 Household schedule number: 31 Line: 21 Roll: CSSCT1891_251 Household Members Age Relationship Catherine Ferns McGunnigal 25 Head, Glasgow, hawker James McGunnigal 6 Son Henry McGunnigal 4 9/Mo Son Catherine McGunnigal 10 Mos Daughter
Parents' marriage:
FERNS CATHERINE MCGONIGAL JAMES [ also listed as McGunigal ] 1885 644/3 6 Dennistoun
Births of children:
MCGUNNIGAL HENRY M 1886 644/3 1325 Dennistoun
MCGONIGAL JAMES M 1884 644/3 2070 Dennistoun
MCGUNNIGAL CATHERINE F 1890 644/3 1089 Dennistoun
I've had look at Catherine's birth cert -
Born June 5th 1890 at 45 Middleton Place. Father: James McGunnigal, journeyman bottle blower <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mother: Catherine McGunnigal, ms Ferns Parents' marriage: Dec 24th 1884, Glasgow.
Death of another sibling:
MCGUNNIGAL MARY 0 mmn FERNS 1889 644/3 1040 Dennistoun
James in 1911 can't be Catherine's father unless his age is wrong - if aged 40 in 1911, he would have been 14 when he married.
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caza
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26 Jun 2021 11:44 |
thank you for all the help
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ArgyllGran
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25 Jun 2021 23:37 |
Andrew Kenna in the Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1857-1962 Name: Andrew Kenna Residence Year: 1921 Address: 1835 [ 116 Drygate Street on image ] Residence Place: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland Parliamentary Division: Glasgow
Andrew and Mrs Catherine Kenna.
Amongst many other names of people living in the same tenement are James and Mrs Annie McGonigle.
Both couples still there in 1923.
By 1934, Andrew and Catherine are at 18 Sorn Street. 1939 - same address - Andrew & Catherine, and Andrew junior. 1949 - same address - Andrew & Catherine. Still there in 1962, which is as far as the Glasgow ERs go on Ancestry..
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25 Jun 2021 23:11 |
Births of he children on the 1911 census:
MCGUNNIGLE HENRY M 1907 644/5 1017 Garngadhill
(Probably this one) -
MCGUINNIGLE THOMAS M 1905 644/3 1016 Dennistoun
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25 Jun 2021 22:42 |
Army papers show his children as Agnes 16.12.12 Henry 11.4.15 died 19. ?.1915 Andrew 6.6.17 Catherine 16.1.22
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25 Jun 2021 22:18 |
The 1911 census by working the Scotlands People system
Note spelling here - McGunnigle
Surname Forename Year Gender Age at Census Ref RD Name County/ City Image View
KENNA ANDREW 1911 M 20 644/5 18/ 16 Garngadhill Lanark
KENNA CATHERINE 1911 F 19 644/5 18/ 16 Garngadhill Lanark
MCGUNNIGLE HENRY 1911 M 3 644/5 18/ 16 Garngadhill Lanark
MCGUNNIGLE JAMES 1911 M 40 644/5 18/ 16 Garngadhill Lanark
MCGUNNIGLE THOMAS 1911 M 5 644/5 18/ 16 Garngadhill Lanark
Either James is Father to Catherine and the children are her brothers or James is brother in law to Andrew and the children are perhaps his.
Do you have the full census you can post? Presume you have it if you can mention the relationships given
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25 Jun 2021 21:56 |
marriage certificate shows catherines parents were james and catherine,1911 census had a james mcgonnigle 40along with henry 3 and thomas 5 but they are related to head of house as brothers ,thought james was a mistake in age but no hes a glassblower this is throwing up more questions than answers
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caza
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25 Jun 2021 21:37 |
many thanks for this henry we didnt know about they also had a son patrick in 1913
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alviegal
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25 Jun 2021 21:12 |
Name: Andrew Kenna Gender: Male Enlistment Age: 23 Birth Date: abt 1892 Marriage Date: 6 May 1910 Marriage Place: Glasgow Document Date: 1915 Residence Place: 262 Garngad Rd, Glasgow Military Date: 1915 Relationship to Soldier: Self (Head) Regimental Number: 3951 Regiment Name: Highland Light Infantry Number of Images: 53 Form Title: Short Service Attestation Other Records: Search for 'Andrew Kenna' in other WWI collections Family Members: Name Relation to Soldier Andrew Kenna Self (Head) Catherine McGonigle Spouse Agnes Kenna Child
Agnes b Glasgow 06.12.12, Henry b 11.04.15 at Gibb St, Glasgow d 19 Sept 1915 at 29 Gibb St, Andrew b 06.06.17 in Glasgow and Catherine b 16.01.22 in Glasgow.
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25 Jun 2021 19:36 |
twins l picked up wrong took it down agnes b in garngadhill 2nd in hutchesetown 3rd in garngadhill 4 th in dennistoun
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25 Jun 2021 19:28 |
Assuming the births of children were registered in Garngadhill, there are these Kenna children (though they're not likely to be all the same family):
Agnes 1912 Thomas McGuinne[ss] 1913 Charlotte 1914 Henry 1915 - also died 1915 Andrew 1917 - that's the one with mmn recorded at death Ellen 1921 Elizabeth McLau. . . . 1925 Joseph 1927 Agnes Richardson 1928 Joseph 1929 Margaret Brogan 1930 Rosina 1931 Thomas R 1932 Thomas 1933
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caza
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25 Jun 2021 19:19 |
we know there were 4 children only one is recorded with mothers maiden name at death
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ArgyllGran
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25 Jun 2021 19:14 |
That will be another 6 credits to see the 1911 census.
Personally, I would opt first for the marriage cert, which will give the names of both parents, including mother's maiden name, and father's occupation.. Then perhaps the census as back-up, if her birth can't be traced from the parents' names
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