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The informant on the death certificate for Alice was her son Charles Arthur Syrett.

Confirms that the couple calling themselves Ballard in 1911 were the parents and resolves your query about Alice No 2.

Hi ErikaH
Many thanks for the census information on the Boobier family it fills in a few gaps. The address on the birth certificate for Charles Arthur Syrett in 1913 is 24 Sekforde Street. As you can see that their surname is now Syrett not Ballard which was on the 1911 census.

1901 for Arthur Syrett.................no doubt posted previously, but just adding in proximity to 1911


11, Woodville Grove, Islington, London & Middlesex, England

Charles Syrett Head Married Male 44 1857 Fancy Box Designer Walworth, Surrey, England
Eliza Syrett Wife Married Female 36 1865 - Southwark, Surrey, England
Arthur Syrett Son - Male 16 1885 Porter Hoxton, Middlesex, England
Ada Syrett Daughter - Female 14 1887 Errand Girl Hoxton, Middlesex, England

NOTE birthplace

Searching 1911 census for 'Alice' b 1890, Islington...................

1911 Census For England & Wales
24 Sekforde Street Clerkenwell London E C, St James and St John Clerkenwell, London & Middlesex, England
Arthur Ballard Head Married Male 25 1886 Shipping Packer Out Of Work Hoxton Midd
Alice Ballard Wife Married Female 21 1890 Box Making Islington Midd

SAYS married 3 years, but no record of the alleged 'marriage' as far as I can see. Fits with his still being married to Alice, Mk1.


He signed the record Arthur Charles Ballard
NO children

Registration district for above is HOLBORN - as was birth in 1913. What is the address on the cert?

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Freeling Cottage, Freeling Street, Islington, London & Middlesex, England

John Boobier Head Married Male 42 1819 Shoe Maker Tiverton, Devon, England
Ann Boobier Wife Married Female 37 1824 - Tiverton, Devon, England
John Boobier Son - Male 14 1847 Boot Closer St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Sarah Ann Boobier Daughter - Female 12 1849 Scholar Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Grace Boobier Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Islington, Middlesex, England

1891
Sutterton Street, Islington, London & Middlesex, England
John Boobier Head Married Male 43 1848 Boot Maker London, Middlesex, England
Ann Boobier Wife Married Female 39 1852 - London, Middlesex, England
Harriet Boobier Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Washer Up Coffee Shop London, Middlesex, England
Joseph Boobier Son - Male 12 1879 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Amy Boobier Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Islington, Middlesex, England
Alice Boobier Daughter - Female 2 1889 - Islington, Middlesex, England


1901

Name: Alice Boobier
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Relative (Other Relative)********************
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Islington
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marylebone
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: St Marylebone
Sub-registration District: Rectory
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Piece: 107
Folio: 46
Page Number: 30
Household Schedule Number: 217
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin James 31
Ann E James 30
Edwin C James 2
Alice Boobier 13

*****************Niece
JAMES, EDWIN CHARLES BOOBIER
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 511

The truth must have come out at some stage.....................who was the informant o the death cert?

BOOBIER, ALICE BARNS
GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 261

Just a quick update. The Alice living with Arthur Charles Ballard Syrett whom she had a son with called Charles Arthur in 1913 gives her maiden name as Ballard on her sons birth certificate but on her death certificate in 1983 her maiden name is Boobier. A bit odd.

Thanks for letting us know, Douglas.

Please keep us updated!

ArgyllGran/Erika H
Just a quick update to say that I have managed to contact one of the Syrett/Osborne children and they are looking into the Arthur Charles Ballard Syrett and the mysterious Alice connections.

The woman's maiden name should be on the death cert - assuming the informant knew it, of course

Re the Syrett/Osborne children - look them up on FreeBMD - no need to put in dates.
They are the only children with that combination of parents' surnames.

And yes, the birth date given for the Alice who died in Islington was 23 Aug 1889.

As said, that matches the DOB given for the Alice in Lever Street in 1939.

13 is the Volume number, 1380 is the Page number

The births to which you refer - their names will be on freebmd, so you can deduce their gender from that

ArgyllGran
Sorry for being a bit dim but your post on 9th Feb 08.46 regarding Alice Syrett could you tell me please what the numbers 13 and 1380 mean which come after Islington. I have tried searching for Alice in the FBMD records but no joy. I presume her birth date is around the 23rd August 1889. I was hoping to find her maiden name.
The family rumour was that Arthur Charles Syrett left Alice (Minshull) not long after Grace's birth but nobody knows the reason why.
The births of the two Syrett/Osborne children were they both boys. I have found a boy born in 1953 is he the youngest?
Thanks for all your help and patience.

Per FreeBMD:

There are births of two Syrett/Osborne children in the 1950s

The younger one married someone with an unusual name, and had at least four children .

Does not appear on Electoral Rolls, though.

Look for info on freebmd

ErikaH
The last marriage on your list of Charles Arthur Syrett to Iris G Osborne is correct I think because on the death certificate for Arthur Charles Ballard Syrett (1956) the informant on the certificate is Charles Arthur Syrett living at 76 Crossways. Now all I have to do is try and find out if Iris is still around and did they have any children.

Name: Charles Arthur Syrett
Death Age: 92
Birth Date: 24 Jul 1913
Registration Date: Oct 2005
Registration District: Hastings and Rother
Inferred County: East Sussex
Register Number: A85A
District and Subdistrict: 456/1A
Entry Number: 118

1939
22 Cowland Avenue, Ponders End, Enfield U.D., Middlesex, England
Charles A Sigett 24 Jul 1913 Male Electrician Married 59 1
Ellen E Randolph (Sigett) 27 Feb 1913 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 59 2


Marriages Sep 1952 (>99%)

FARRELL Ellen E RANDOLPH Edmonton 5e 1061
RANDOLPH Arthur L SYRETT Edmonton 5e 1061
RANDOLPH Arthur L FARRELL Edmonton 5e 1061
Syrett Ellen E Randolph Edmonton 5e 1061

Name: Ellen Elizabeth Randolph
Death Age: 91
Birth Date: 27 Feb 1913
Registration Date: Aug 2004
Registration District: Windsor and Maidenhead
Inferred County: Berkshire
Register Number: WMA5
District and Subdistrict: 322/1A
Entry Number: 31

Name: Ellen Elizabeth Farrell
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 16 Mar 1913
Baptism Place: England, St Philip, Clerkenwell, Islington
Father: Frederick Farrell
Mother: Rose Farrell


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Marriages Jun 1952 (>99%)
Osborne Iris G Syrett Wood Green 5f 1153
SYRETT Charles A OSBORNE Wood Green 5f 1153

Name: Iris G Syrett
Electoral Date: 1963
Street Address: 76 Crossways
Ward or Division/Constituency: Croydon South
County or Borough: Croydon, England
Reference Number: LCC/PER/B/2899