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Looking for any information on Arthur Charles Ballard Syrett born 1884 in Hoxton London and married Alice Minshull in Shoreditch 1905. Had three children, Arthur born in 1905, Albert born in 1906 and Grace born in 1907. I can find Alice and her three children in the 1911 census living with a John Sawyer in New North Road London but have had no luck with finding her husband Arthur. Any help much appreciated.

Have you got their marriage cert

It should name his father ,if known

His birth

SYRETT, ARTHUR CHARLES BALLARD HOLDEN
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 86


Parents

Marriages Sep 1884
HOLDEN Eliza Margaret Shoreditch 1c 327
Syrett Charles Shoreditch 1c 327

Arthur Charles B Syrett
England and Wales Marriage Registration Index, 1837-2005
Name:
Arthur Charles B Syrett
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Place:
Shoreditch, London, England
Registration District:
Shoreditch
County:
London
Registration Quarter:
Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year:
1905
Volume:
1C
Affiliate Line Number:
203
Possible Spouse:
Benjamin Cooper
Possible Spouse:
Beatrice May Law
Possible Spouse:
Alice Hannah Minshull

He was in the army

Arthur Ballard Charles
Last name Syrett
Birth year 1882
Birth parish Hoxton
Birth town London
Birth county Middlesex
Birth country England
Service number 7050
Regiment Royal Garrison Artillery
Year 1901
Attestation date 25 Jan 1901
Attestation age years 19
Attestation age months 3
Attestation service number 7050
Attestation corps Royal Garrison Artillery
Discharge corps Royal Garrison Artillery
Document type Attestation
Archive reference WO 97
Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
Box 6034
Box record number 95
Archive
The National Archives
Country England
Record set British Army Service Records


What is his occupation on the children’s birth certs

where is alice in 1939

Arthur Syrett
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name:
Arthur Syrett
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1891
Event Place:
Shoreditch, London, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Shoreditch, London, England
Event Place Note:
Bristow Street
County:
London
Parish:
Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical Parish:
CHRIST CHURCH
Enumeration District:
2
Registration District:
Shoreditch
Sex:
Male
Age:
6
Occupation:
Scholar
Birth Year (Estimated):
1885
Birthplace:
London, England
Relationship to Head of Household:
Son
Page Number:
17
Registration Number:
RG12
Piece/Folio:
244/ 39
Affiliate Record Type:
Household
Affiliate Image Identifier:
GBC/1891/0244/0077&parentid=GBC/1891/0002163121
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Charles Syrett Head Male 35 London, England
Eliza Syrett Wife Female 26 London, England
Arthur Syrett Son Male 6 London, England
Ada Syrett Daughter Female 4 Hoxton, London, England

In 1911, Alice and her FIVE children are recorded as SAWYER

Possible death in 1956

Alice Minshull was born JAS 1886. The woman with Sawyer in 1911 says she is 28 - born no later than JFM 1883.

Can’t access GRO at the moment to verify MMN on the births of the children

Well she went on to have many children with John sawyer

Births Mar 1916
Sawyer Charles E Minshull Shoreditch 1c 148
Births Sep 1919
Sawyer Mary Minshull Shoreditch 1c 47
Births Mar 1921
Sawyer Frederick A Minshull Shoreditch 1c 56
Births Jun 1922
Sawyer Rose Minshull Holborn 1b 1071
Births Mar 1925
Sawyer Margaret G Minshull Holborn 1b 881

Deaths Dec 1970 (>99%)
SAWYER Alice Hannah 30No1882 Dartford 5f 972

?? As suggested by ErikaH:

Deaths Jun 1956 (>99%)
Syrett Arthur C 71 London C. 5d 105


Arthur Charles Syrett
in the Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
Name: Arthur Charles Syrett
Death Date: 11 Apr 1956
Burial or Cremation Date: 16 Apr 1956
Burial or Cremation Place: Islington, London, England

SYRETT, ALBERT CHARLES MINSHULL
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 642

SYRETT, GRACE JANE MINSHULL
GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 646

SYRETT, ARTHUR JOHN MINSHULL
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 479

1911 Census For England & Wales
33 New North Road London N, Shoreditch, London & Middlesex
John Sawyer Head Married Male 37 1874 Cabinet Maker Shoreditch Hoxton
Alice Sawyer Wife Married Female 28 1883 Bag Trade St Lukes Lon
Ather Sawyer Son - Male 8 1903 - St Lukes
Albert Sawyer Son - Male 5 1906 - St Lukes
Grace Sawyer Daughter - Female 4 1907 - St Lukes
John Sawyer Son - Male 2 1909 - St Lukes
Maud Sawyer Daughter - Female 0 1911 - St Lukes Age 8 months

Alice claims to have been married for 9 years, and says all 5 children were born in that marriage

Cannot see births for the youngest two children

Maud was the name of one of Alice's sisters

1939

35 Chardworth Buildings Lever Street, Barbican, City Of London, Finsbury, London, England
Arthur Syrett 13 Sep 1884 Male Electricians Mate Married 35 1
Alice Syrett 23 Aug 1889 Female Office Cleaner Married 35 2

1939

51 Retford Street, Shoreditch, Hackney, Shoreditch, London, England
John Sawyer 06 Jul 1875 Male Packer (Carpet Sweepers) Married 201 1
Alice Perrin (Sawyer) 23 Jun 1865 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 201 2
Charles (Ed?) Sawyer 25 Dec 1914 Male Carpenter Married 201 3
Mary Sawyer 26 Jun 1919 Female Capsule Colourer Single 201 4
Rose Prowse (Sawyer) 22 Apr 1922 Female Showcard Embosser Single 201 6

TWO closed records


Marriages Mar 1943 (>99%)
Prowse Douglas V Sawyer Hendon 3a 965
Sawyer Rose Prowse Hendon 3a 965

Name: Arthur John Syrett
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 6 Aug 1905
Baptism Place: England, Bethnal Green St John, Tower Hamlets
Father: Arthur Charles Syrett
Mother: Alice Hannah Syrett

Name: Arthur Syrett
Gender: Male
Age: 5
Birth Date: 18 Jul 1904
Admission Date: 23 Aug 1909
School: Gopsall Street School
Father: John*************************************************
Notes: Gopsall Street School opened in 1897. Renamed The Whitmore School in 1931

Deaths Sep 1980 (>99%)
SYRETT ARTHUR JOHN 18JY1905 THURROCK 9 2824

Arthur was discharged from the Army in March 1901, for lying about his age when he enlisted

1901 - at the address on his Army docs

11, Woodville Grove, Islington, London & Middlesex, England

Charles Syrett Head Married Male 44 1857 Fancy Box Designer Walworth, Surrey, England
Eliza Syrett Wife Married Female 36 1865 - Southwark, Surrey, England
Arthur Syrett Son - Male 16 1885 Porter Hoxton, Middlesex, England
Ada Syrett Daughter - Female 14 1887 Errand Girl Hoxton, Middlesex, England

Hi Erika,
Thank you very much for all your information, much appreciated. The 1939 information was very useful especially the Arthur you found at Lever street. I do have the death certificate for this Arthur in 1956. The informant on the death certificate is a Charles Syrett, son from Croydon. I wonder if he did get married again after he left the first Alice or just said he was married. I wonder if his other two children Albert and Grace were baptised and what school they went to. I have just checked Arthur Charles Ballard Syrett's birth certificate and he was born on the 13th September 1884. Where was this 1939 information from because the first Alice was born in 1886.