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Barbara
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1 Dec 2020 10:59 |
Hello, I'm wondering if anyone can help? I'm currently researching the Irish side of my family, and I know that Mary-Ann Honey came to London, England when she was a teenager. She was born around 1815. She married George Peek in 1831, who was much older, and they went on to have about 9 children, one of whom was Jane Peek. Jane gave birth to Ellen Peek (Jane was unmarried) who went on to marry a Channell. Montague Channell was their son (my maternal grandfather). He was born in the 1880s. Will have more information once my cousin gets back to me. We do have quite an extensive tree, but finding it difficult to find out Mary-Ann Honey's background in Ireland. Many thanks. Barbara.
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Gwyn in Kent
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1 Dec 2020 11:22 |
Working backwards...........
Name: Montague Channell...........Postman Gender: Male Marriage Age: 27 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1888 Marriage Date: 6 Jun 1915 Marriage Place: St Luke, South Kensington, Kensington and Chelsea, England Father: William Channell............brass furbisher Spouse: Mabel Florence Fisher Register Type: Parish Register
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ErikaH
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1 Dec 2020 11:25 |
NOT the1890's
CHANNELL, MONTAGUE (MMN) PEEK GRO Reference: 1888 S Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 685
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ErikaH
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1 Dec 2020 11:25 |
Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%) Channell William Lambeth 1d 773 S PEEK Ellen Lambeth 1d 773
Name: William Channell Gender: Male Marriage Age: 33 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1853 Marriage Date: 31 Oct 1886 Marriage Place: St Mary, Lambeth, Lambeth, England Father: Alfred Channell Spouse: Ellen Peek Birth Date: abt 1858 Father: John Peek
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ErikaH
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1 Dec 2020 11:28 |
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Name: Mary Ann Peck [Mary Ann Peek] Age: 47 Estimated Birth Year: 1814 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Heston Ecclesiastical parish: Heston St Leonard County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration District: Brentford Sub-registration District: Isleworth ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 48 Piece: 773 Folio: 8 Page Number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Mary Ann Peck 47 John Peck 29 Precilla Peck 21 George Peck 17 Elizabeth J Peck 13 Ellen Peck 2 Thomas Johnson 20
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Mary
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1 Dec 2020 11:31 |
She married George Peek 24/4/1831 in Middlesex and Thomas Johnson in 1862
She was born about 1814/16 in Ireland according to census returns died 1885
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ErikaH
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1 Dec 2020 11:33 |
1841 Name: George Peek Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Gender: Male Where born: Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Heston Hundred: Isleworth County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: Occupation: View image Registration District: Brentford Sub-registration District: Isleworth Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 658 Book: 2 Folio: 10 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age George Peek 40 Mary Ann Peek 25 John Peek 9 Ann Peek 8 Jane Peek 5 Sarah Peek 4 Mar Ann Peek 3 Priscilla Peek 1
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ErikaH
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1 Dec 2020 11:35 |
Get a copy of the cert of the marriage to Johnson to see whether she named a father.
Only the Banns are online, so no help there
Name: Mary Ann Peek Gender: Female Record Type: Banns (Bann) Marriage Banns Date: 12 Oct 1862 Marriage Banns Place: St Mary, Lambeth, Lambeth, England Spouse: Thomas Johnson Register Type: Parish Register
Name: Thomas Johnson Gender: Male Record Type: Banns (Bann) Marriage Banns Date: 8 Dec 1861 Marriage Banns Place: St Mary, Lambeth, Lambeth, England Spouse: Mary Ann Peek
I can't see a marriage, so you may be at a dead end, as you've no way of identifying her father.
Your suggestion of her birth having been in the 1840's is not borne out by the facts
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Maddie
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1 Dec 2020 11:41 |
for ref Name: Mary Ann Honey Marriage Date: 24 Apr 1831 Marriage Place: St James, Piccadilly (St James, Westminster), London, Westminster, England Parish as it Appears: St James, Westminster Search Photos: Search for 'St James, Piccadilly (St James, Westminster)' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Spouse George Peek
Name: Mary Ann Peek Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816 Gender: Female Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Heston Hundred: Isleworth County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: Occupation: View image Registration District: Brentford Sub-registration District: Isleworth Neighbors: Piece: 658 Book: 2 Folio: 10 Page Number: 12 Household Members: Name Age George Peek 40 ---- 1801 middlesex Mary Ann Peek 25 John Peek 9 Ann Peek 8 Jane Peek 5 Sarah Peek 4 Mar Ann Peek 3 Priscilla Peek
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ErikaH
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1 Dec 2020 11:46 |
She'd knocked off a few years...................she was actually old enough to be his mother
1871 Name: Mary Ann Johnson Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: 1823 Relation: Wife Gender: Female Where born: Marylebone Middlesex England Civil Parish: Tottenham Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Tottenham County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration District: Edmonton Sub-registration District: Tottenham ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household Schedule Number: 198 Piece: 1338 Folio: 105 Page Number: 31 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Johnson 36 Mary Ann Johnson 48
Based on Mary's info.....................................
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ErikaH
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1 Dec 2020 11:47 |
I see the poster has been doing some editing - without acknowledging the responses
I'm outa here :-( :-(
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ArgyllGran
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1 Dec 2020 12:26 |
Welcome to the boards, Barbara.
Unfortunately, Mary Ann Johnson in 1871 posted above is not Mary Ann nee Honey.
1871 gives her birth as c1823, in Middlesex.
So does 1861 - when Mary Ann nee Honey (born Ireland) is on the 1861 census as Peek/Peck:
Mary Ann Johnson in the 1861 England Census Name: Mary Ann Johnson Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: 1823 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Thomas Johnson Gender: Female Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration District: Bethnal Green Sub-registration District: Hackney Road ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 154 Piece: 253 Folio: 88 Page Number: 31 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Johnson 27 Mary Ann Johnson 38
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Maddie
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1 Dec 2020 12:27 |
1851 confims birth place
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
North Hyde, Heston, Brentford, Middlesex, England lationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Mary Ann Peek Head Widow Female 38 1813 Grocer Ireland John Peek Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Clerk Of Brickfield Isleworth, Middlesex, England Ann Peek Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1833 - Isleworth, Middlesex, England Martha Peek Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Lampton, Middlesex, England George Peek Son - Male 6 1845 Scholar Northfleet, Kent, England Alice Peek Daughter - Female 4 1847 Scholar Northfleet, Kent, England Elizabeth Peek Daughter - Female 3 1848 - Northfleet, Kent, England Emma Peek Daughter - Female 2 1849 - Northfleet, Kent, England Sarah Groves Visitor Widow Female 39 1812 Laundress Brentford, Middlesex, England Eliza Groves Visitor - Female 16 1835 Servant Brentford, Middlesex, England William Hereward Lodger Unmarried Male 17 1834 Engine Driver Woodstock, Oxon, England
Name: George Peek Gender: Male Burial Date: 4 Feb 1848 Burial Place: Isleworth, Middlesex, England FHL Film Number: 585451 Reference ID: 202
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ArgyllGran
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1 Dec 2020 12:35 |
This is Mary Ann nee Honey in 1871:
Marya Johnson in the 1871 England Census Name: Marya Johnson [Mary Ann Johnson] Age: 57 Estimated Birth Year: 1814 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Heston Ecclesiastical parish: Church Heston Town: Lampton County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration District: Brentford Sub-registration District: Isleworth ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Household Schedule Number: 55 Piece: 1313 Folio: 91 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Marya Johnson 57 [ Mary A on image ] Ellen Pick 12 - grand-daughter
Thomas is also with them, though the Ancestry transcription misses him out.
Thomas Johnson, head, married, 40, brick builder (?), Drayton, Middlesex.
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ArgyllGran
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1 Dec 2020 12:41 |
Possible death ??
Deaths Jun 1885 (>99%) JOHNSON Mary Ann 72 Brentford 3a 32
However, that's no help finding her birth/parents/ etc.
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ArgyllGran
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1 Dec 2020 12:44 |
1881:
Mary Ann Johnson in the 1881 England Census Name: Mary Ann Johnson Age: 66 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815 Relationship to Head: Wife Spouse: Thomas Johnson Gender: Female Where born: Isleworth, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Heston County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: 5 Lampton Parade Marital status: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Labourer Wife Registration District: Brentford ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: Piece: 1339 Folio: 37 Page Number: 17 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Johnson 49 Mary Ann Johnson 66 Ellen Peek 22 - grand-daughter William Peek 46 - nephew Annie Robinson 11 - visitor Ellen Janitt 6 - visitor
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ArgyllGran
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1 Dec 2020 12:47 |
The marriage cert will tell you her father's name - if known: :
Thomas Johnson in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: Thomas Johnson Gender: Male Marriage Date: 16 Nov 1862 Marriage Place: St. Mary'S, Lambeth, Surrey, England Spouse: Mary Ann Peck FHL Film Number: 1041669 Reference ID: item 1 p 155
Marriages Dec 1862 (>99%) Johnson Thomas Lambeth 1d 586 Peak Mary Ann Lambeth 1d 586
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ArgyllGran
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1 Dec 2020 12:51 |
Aha! Father's name Thomas. Deceased, mercantile clerk:
Mary Ann Peak in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Name: Mary Ann Peak - widow [Mary Ann Honey] Gender: Female Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 17 Nov 1862 Marriage Place: St Mary, Lambeth, Lambeth, England Father: Thomas Honey Spouse: Thomas Johnson Register Type: Parish Register
Banns posted earlier by ErikaH, but this is the actual marriage - as also in my previous post.
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Maddie
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1 Dec 2020 13:07 |
Name: Mary Ann Peek Gender: Female Record Type: Banns (Bann) Marriage Banns Date: 12 Oct 1862 Marriage Banns Place: St Mary, Lambeth, Lambeth, England Spouse: Thomas Johnson Register Type: Parish Register
a widow
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1 Dec 2020 14:12 |
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Record Transcription: Irish Parish Register Marriages, Ffolliott Collection
First name(s) Thomas Last name Honey Role Groom Marriage year 1812 Marriage date 03 Feb 1812 Parish - Diocese Cloyne Spouse's first name(s) Jane Spouse's last name Wilkinson County Cork Country Ireland Project ffolliott Parish Registers Folder Marriage index, 1600-1845 Event type Marriages Record set Irish Parish Register Marriages, Ffolliott Collection Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages Collections from Ireland
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