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23 Nov 2020 17:51 |
Born circa 1823 (London, St Sepulchre?) 1861 census recorded with daughter Hannah (born 1856) . eldest daughter Rose (8yrs) appears to be living as a 'nurse child' in Kensington. I once recorded their mother as Mary Ann Cousins who died in 1858 but I can't find evidence for that. I'm trying to prove who the girls mother was and anything whatsoever about George Richardson. He's recorded as a cabinet maker on the 1861 census which doesn't tie up with the number of Geo Richardsons I've found records for..
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23 Nov 2020 17:53 |
p.s. If I've asked about this person before I apologise, this site doesn't seem to be working very well and over the past couple of days I've tried to search the forums but keep getting error messages.
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:17 |
For our reference:
Rosa Richardson in the 1861 England Census Name: Rosa Richardson Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: 1853 Relation: Nurse Child (Nurse) Gender: Female Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Kensington St Mary Abbott Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: London County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration District: Kensington Sub-registration District: Brompton ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 26 Piece: 22 Folio: 9 Page Number: 9
Birth:
RICHARDSON, ROSA - GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 252
Illegitimate birth, therefore mother's surname was Richardson - unless she lied. Therefore doesn't seem to be George's child, unless by chance the mother was also caled Richardson.
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greyghost
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23 Nov 2020 18:18 |
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census 65, West Street, St Sepulchre, West London (City of London), London & Middlesex, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place George Richardson Head Widower Male 38 1823 Cabinet Maker - Hannah Richardson Daughter - Female 5 1856 Scholar Shoreditch, Middlesex, England
Although George has no birthplace and Hannah says Shoreditch, the original looks to have "slipped" a line and probably should read that he was born Shoreditch and Hannah (last name on page) Bethnal Green
Have you looked at freebmd and then the GRO site to check for births showing mmn?
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp - register, but free to use
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:23 |
George Richardson in the 1861 England Census Name: George Richardson Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: 1823 Relation: Head Gender: Male Civil Parish: St Sepulchre County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration District: West London Sub-registration District: West London North ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 50 Piece: 216 Folio: 32 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age George Richardson 38 Hannah Richardson 5 William Stevenson 70 - (different household)
The birthplaces of George and Hannah are written on the wrong lines, but it looks as if George was born in Shoreditch, and Hannah in Bethnal Green.
Possibly Hannah's birth, if census is correct :
RICHARDSON, HANNAH mms SMITH GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 264
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:24 |
Or there's this other child, who is more likely:
Hannah Susannah Richardson in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 Name: Hannah Susannah Richardson Gender: Female Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 9 Mar 1856 Baptism Place: St Matthias, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England Father: George Richardson, cabinet maker <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mother: Hannah Richardson Register Type: Parish Registers
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greyghost
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23 Nov 2020 18:24 |
?? Just throwing this one in for now - have to rescue tea!
Births Mar 1856 (>99%) RICHARDSON Hannah Susannah Bethnal Grn 1c 326
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: RICHARDSON, HANNAH SUSANNAH MOSS GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 326
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greyghost
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23 Nov 2020 18:26 |
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Mar 1853 (>99%) HOWSON William Abraham Bethnal G. 1c 525 MOSS Hannah Bethnal G 1c 525 <<<<<<<< RICHARDSON George Bethnal G 1c 525 <<<<<<<<< Sandall Leah Bethnal G 1c 525
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:27 |
Marriages Mar 1853 (>99%) MOSS Hannah Bethnal G 1c 525 RICHARDSON George Bethnal G 1c 525
George Richardson in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Name: George Richardson (carver) Gender: Male Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 27 Feb 1853 Marriage Place: St Matthew, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England Father: Daniel Richardson (carver) Spouse: Hannah Moss Register Type: Parish Register
Hannah's father: William Moss, cork cutter
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greyghost
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23 Nov 2020 18:30 |
?? Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page Deaths Mar 1860 (>99%) Richardson Hannah Bethnal Gn 1c 266
Name: Age at Death (in years): RICHARDSON, HANNAH 37 GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 266
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:31 |
Living alone in 1851:
George Richardson in the 1851 England Census Name: George Richardson Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Shoreditch Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: Shoreditch Sub-registration District: St Leonard ED, institution, or vessel: 09 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 289 Piece: 1534 Folio: 310 Page Number: 64 Household Members: Name Age George Richardson 28 - carver,
Hard to tell if it says widowed or unmarried. Probably unmarried.
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:33 |
George Richardson in the 1841 England Census Name: George Richardson Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823 Gender: Male Where born: Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: Occupation: View image Registration District: Bethnal Green Sub-registration District: Town Neighbors: Piece: 694 Book: 2 Folio: 5 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age Daniel Richardson 13 Elizabeth Richardson 39 George Richardson 18 Mary Richardson 14 Daniel Richardson 8
(Different household) Esther Mercer 40 John Needham 25 Elizabeth Needham 23 Elizabeth Needham 1
Unfortunately the image is so faint that it's impossible to read occupations.
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:35 |
Why do you think Rose/Rosa is George's daughter?
Are they together on some other record?
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greyghost
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23 Nov 2020 18:37 |
the original of the 1853 marriage certificate shows Hannah of 13 Grand Street (same as George). Her Father shows as William Moss a Cork Cutter
Name: Hannah Moss Gender: Female Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 27 Feb 1853 Marriage Place: St Matthew, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England Father: William Moss Spouse: George Richardson Register Type: Parish Register
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:40 |
George Richardson in the 1871 England Census Name: George Richardson Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: 1823 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Shoreditch Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Simon Zelotes County/Island: London Country: England Registration District: Bethnal Green Sub-registration District: Bethnal Green ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Household Schedule Number: 79 Piece: 485 Folio: 83 Page Number: 15 Household Members: Name Age George Richardson 48 - cabinet maker George Richardson 16 - son, shoe finisher, Bethnal Green Harriet Richardson 13 - daughter, scholar, Bethnal Green
George Richardson in the 1881 England Census Name: George Richardson Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relationship to Head: Head Gender: Male Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Bethnal Green County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 44 Warley St Marital status: Widower Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Cornish Maker [ Cornice pole maker ] Registration District: Bethnal Green Sub registration district: Bethnal Green ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: Piece: 422 Folio: 83 Page Number: 70 Household Members: Name Age George Richardson 50 Hannah Richardson 25 Edward Peter Richardson 1
RICHARDSON, HARRIET ELIZABETH mms MOSS GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 305
RICHARDSON, GEORGE HENRY mms MOSS GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 301
RICHARDSON, EDWARD PETER - GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 245
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greyghost
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23 Nov 2020 18:46 |
Looking at the birth of daughter Hannah Susannah in 1856, could this be her Mother's baptism Yes - William is a Cork cutter. Living in Philips Street
Name: Hannah Caroline Moss Gender: Female Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 16 Oct 1825 Baptism Place: St George in the East, Tower Hamlets, England Father: William Moss Mother: Susannah Moss Register Type: Parish Registers Save
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:48 |
George Richardson in the 1891 England Census Name: George Richardson Gender: Male Age: 68 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1823 Child: Hannah Richardson Edward Richardson Birth Place: Shoreditch Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Simons Zelotes Residence Place: Bethnal Green, London, England Registration District: Bethnal Green Sub registration district: Bethnal Green East ED, Institution or Vessel: 17 Neighbors: Piece: 272 Folio: 14 Household Members: Name Age George Richardson 68 - cornice pole maker Hannah Richardson 35 - tailoress Edward Richardson 11 - scholar
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:52 |
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Deaths Jun 1907 (>99%) RICHARDSON George 84 Bethnal G. 1c 88
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:55 |
George Richardson in the 1901 England Census Name: George Richardson Age: 79 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Bethnal Green, London, England Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Simon Zelotes County/Island: London Country: England Registration District: Bethnal Green Sub-registration District: Bethnal Green, East ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: Piece: 295 Folio: 149 Page Number: 40 Household Schedule Number: 242 Household Members: Name Age George Richardson 79 - cornice pole maker Ed Richardson 21 - son [ but must be grandson ], furniture maker
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ArgyllGran
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23 Nov 2020 18:58 |
From the records posted here, I can't see that Rose/Rosa is anything whatsoever to do with George.
She may possibly be this person:
Rosa Fullbrook in the 1871 England Census Name: Rosa Fullbrook Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: 1853 Relation: Daughter Gender: Female Where born: Lambeth Civil Parish: Hackney Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael and All Angels County/Island: London Country: England Registration District: Hackney Sub-registration District: South Hackney ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household Schedule Number: 262 Piece: 329 Folio: 27 Page Number: 47 Household Members: Name Age William Fullbrook 59 Ann Fullbrook 45 Rosa Fullbrook 18
William Fullbrook in the Essex, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1935 Name: William Fullbrook Gender: Male Marriage Age: 53 Birth Date: abt 1812 Marriage Place: West Ham, All Saints, Essex, England Marriage Date: 8 Oct 1865 Father: Joseph Fullbrook Spouse: Ann Richardson [ father - James Richardson ]
William died in 1872, and Ann remarried in 1876, to Henry Kay.
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