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Joseph miller, born 18th August 1859. Salford, Lancashire, UK.
Parents, father Alexander miller, mother Mary ann critchley
Brother Francesco Miller.
Joined navy August 19th 1878, service no 95929.
Married josephine cassar Jan 30th 1881 in malta.
Daughter Sarah maria Miller born Nov 7th 1883, malta.
Discharged from navy 1883, medical reason.
These people are my grt grt grandparents?
Need help please, finding death date of Joseph miller?
Not sure if it was here in uk or malta?
Or appreciate any help with his brother francessco miller?
Thankyou everyone.
:-)

Where and when did his wife die?

Have you looked for census info for the family?

When and where was the brother born? Was he registered as Francesco?

EricaH,
I not sure where his wife died and when?
No not looked for census think they may have been in malta.
His brother, believe born malta, but not sure.
Thankyou for replying, kind regards Kim.
:-)

When was Francesco born? How did you trace his existence?

He isn’t on 1861 census with Joseph and parents

For info.

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

9, Mottram Street, Salford, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Alexander Miller Head Married Male 26 1835 Machinist Scotland
Mary A Miller Wife Married Female 26 1835 - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Joseph Miller Son - Male 1 1860 - Salford, Lancashire, England

Thankyou means a lot.

J. MILLER
BillionGraves Index
Name:
J. MILLER
Event Type:
Burial
Event Place:
Imtarfa, Malta
Cemetery:
Imtarfa Military Cemetery
Latitude:
35.890785
Longitude:
14.409904
Death Date:
18 Aug 1920
Affiliate Create Date:
15 May 2018
Affiliate Image Identifier:
27063063

Malyon, this is the young man here that matches the index.

Private John Miller
Birth 1898
Lancaster, City of Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Death 18 Aug 1920 (aged 21–22)
Malta
Burial
Imtarfa Military Cemetery
Imtarfa, Western, Malta

These graves maybe linked into family.
But if he died aged 20/21 years, this won't be
Joseph Miller's grave.
Joseph miller was born 1860. :-)

What is your reason for thinking that he had a brother Francesco?
Is there any reason why his parents would have been in Malta?

Admittedly, I can't find his father in the UK after 1861, although there are a couple of possibilities for his mother - but Mary Miller is a common name.

Sarah Marie Miller, born 7 Nov 1883, is on the private Ancestry tree of someone named Beatrice1903, who lives in New Zealand.
Name of tree: Bunty's Arboretum.

Have you been in touch with her?

She also has Alexander and Mary Ann on her tree. But no Francesco.

When Sarah married, what was the info on the cert about her father?

When did she marry? Where? And to whom?

Joseph joined the Navy in 1876

A sister? of 53 Clarendon Street, she died of convulsions at 4 months.

England, Greater Manchester Burials 1570-1990

Lancashire, England
Year of birth: 1857
First name(s) Louisa
Last name Miller
Sex Female
Age 0
Birth year 23 Sept 1857
Year 1857
Date 27 Sep 1857
Place Hulme, St George
Father's first name(s) Alexander
Father's last name Miller
Mother's first name(s) Mary Ann
Mother's last name Miller
Town Manchester


MILLER, LOUISA CRITCHLEY
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 608


Yes, parents marriage. 53 Clarendon Street is where they live.


Lancashire Banns & Marriages

First name(s) Mary Ann
Last name Critchley
Sex Female
Marital status Single
Year 1856
Date 02 Nov 1856
Town Manchester
Place Deansgate, St John
County Lancashire
Spouse's first name(s) Alexander
Spouse's last name Miller, mechanic
Spouse's sex Male
Spouse's marital status Single
Father's first name(s) Joseph
Father's last name Critchley, chair maker
Spouse's father's first name(s) James
Spouse's father's last name Miller, contractor

Another sister?

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MILLER, SARAH ELIZABETH CRITCHLEY
GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 44

Rose

Sarah Elizabeth apparently isn't from the same family:

Sarah Elizabeth Miller
in the Wigan, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1911
Name: Sarah Elizabeth Miller
Birth Date: 24 Aug 1861
Baptism Date: 24 Aug 1862
Baptism Place: Wigan, All Saints, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Wigan
Father: George Miller [collier ]
Mother: Frances Miller

Address: Scholes



????
Marriages Mar 1858 (>99%)
Miller Frances Auckland 10a 160
Miller George Auckland 10a 160

There is a 'tree' on Ancestry which is nonsense

No records for the family in Malta on FMP

1881

Name: Joseph Miller
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Vessels
County/Island: Royal Navy
Country: England
Street Address: "Helicon"
Marital status: Married
Occupation: A B
Registration District: Royal Navy
ED, institution, or vessel: Helicon

You say "Discharged from navy 1883, medical reason."

He was actually discharged in 1893, and the medical reason was diabetes.

Joseph Miller
in the UK, Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services, 1848-1939
Name: Joseph Miller
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 19 Aug 1860
Birth Place: Salford, Lancaster
First Service Date: 15 Jun 1876
First Ship Served On: Eagle
Last Service Date: 14 Mar 1893
Last Ship Served On: Shannon
Service Number: 95929


I don't know what life expectancy for someone with diabetes at that time would have been.

Joseph Miller isnt an uncommon name.
If he was discharged to England -

???
Deaths Dec 1897 (>99%)
Miller Joseph 38 Hackney 1b 353



ADDED
Insulin wasn't in use until c1921.

"The discovery and purification of insulin for clinical use between 1921–1922 by a group of researchers in Toronto—Frederick Banting, J.J.R. Macleod, Charles Best, and James Collip—paved the way for treatment. The patent for insulin was assigned to the University of Toronto in 1923 for a symbolic dollar to keep treatment accessible.
In regard to diabetes insipidus, treatment became available before the causes of the disease were clarified. The discovery of an antidiuretic substance extracted from the pituitary gland by researchers in Italy (A. Farini and B. Ceccaroni) and Germany (R. Von den Velden) in 1913 paved the way for treatment. By the 1920s, accumulated findings defined diabetes insipidus as a disorder of the pituitary. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_diabetes

The last location mentioned on his service record is a village in Co Mayo, Ireland, but that may simply be where his last ship docked

Where does the name Francesco come from?

Have you any documentary proof of his existence?

Mary Ann with her parents in 1851? I wonder if she is transcribed as Martha so possibly another avenue to look for them after 1861.

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Phoenix Street, Manchester, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Critchley Head Married Male 41 1810 Chairmaker Derbyshire, England
Catherine Critchley Wife Married Female 45 1806 - Clotton, Cheshire, England
William Critchley Son - Male 18 1833 Chair Maker Manchester, Lancashire, England
Martha A Critchley Dau - Female 17 1834 Silk Clearer Manchester, Lancashire, England
Louisa Critchley Dau - Female 11 1840 - Hulme, Lancashire, England


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

53, Clarendon Street, Hulme, Chorlton, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Critchley Head Married Male 51 1810 Chair Maker Starkholmes, Derbyshire, England
Catherine Critchley Wife Married Female 55 1806 - Cotton, Cheshire, England

Ancestry's version of 1861 mistranscribes her name as Margret - though it's clearly Mary A on the image, and correctly on FMP's version as posted earlier by Alviegal.