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Morning, thanks very much Argyll. I think you are probably right him changing his name to Joseph and using his wife's maiden name, Evans. I suspect it was to keep one step ahead of the law bearing in mind his earlier imprisonment. As for Sarah Ann's marriage, I was confusing it with Addison/Joseph sister Sarah Ann who was born 1839. I had seen a Joseph on the census returns but disregarded it straight away and of course Betsy = Elizabeth. I can now press on further. Take care.

I still can't see his baptism, however!

Name: Adinson Mincher
[Addison Mincher]
Gender: Male
Age: 63
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1828
Spouse: Elizabeth Mincher
Child: Jane Mincher
Birth Place: Shropshire, England
Civil Parish: St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Residence Place: Derby, St Peter, Derbyshire, England
Registration District: Derby
Sub registration district: Derby
ED, Institution or Vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2727
Folio: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Adinson Mincher 63
Elizabeth Mincher 67
Nathial Thompson 40
Jane Mincher 34
Henery Willits 8

Record Transcription:
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

5 Court, East Street, St Peter, Derby, Derbyshire, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Adinson Minster Head Married Male 63 1828 Iron Foundry Labourer Shropshire, England
Elizabeth Minster Wife Married Female 67 1824 - Wales
Nathial Thompson Son In Law Married Male 40 1851 Bricklayers Labourer Derby
Jane Thompson Daughter Married Female 34 1857 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Henery Willits Grandson - Male 8 1883 Scholar Derby

WILLITS, HENRY mms MINCHER
GRO Reference: 1883 M Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 621


Marriages Sep 1882 (>99%)
MINCHER Elizabeth Derby 7b 777
WILLITS Henry Derby 7b 777


Elizabeth Mincher
in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Elizabeth Mincher
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 17
Birth Date: 1865
Marriage Date: 25 Sep 1882
Marriage Place: Derby, St Peter, Derbyshire, England
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Father: Joseph Mincher, labourer
Spouse: Henry Willits

Address: Bag Lane

Name: Addison Mincher
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 7 Jul 1851
Marriage Place: Saint Matthew, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Spouse: Elizabeth Evans

Linked to.......................

Name: Elizabeth Mincher
Date of Trial: 23 Jul 1867
Trial Year: 1867
Location of Trial: Staffordshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
Crime: Endeavouring to conceal the birth of her child
Date of Execution or Release: See Image

Just got in and seen the above. Thank you. I wouldn't have found the 1891 census entry with those spellings.

Hello again. The following is from Greyghost post above:

MINCHER, MARGARET ELIZABETH EVANS - NO - her Bap. on freereg, parents Harrison and Elizabeth
GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 398

I think Addison may have been mistranscribed as Harrison. There is a burial for Margaret Elizabeth at Merridale Cemetery, Wolverhampton on 7 June 1865. Could someone take a look at the burial to see if father is Harrison, Addison or Joseph. Thanks.

Burial entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
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County Staffordshire
Place (Links to more information) Wolverhampton
Church name (Links to more information) Merridale Cemetery
Register type (Links to more information) Transcript
Burial date 07 Jun 1865
Burial person forename Margaret Elizabeth
Relationship dau of
Male relative forename Joseph
Burial person surname MINCHER
Person age 2y6m
Burial person abode Monmore Green
Notes Parish: St. Matthew. Occupation: Puddler. Grave: 9578a. Reg. No.: G2/03361
Transcribed by Michael Clarke
File line number 2441

Record Transcription:
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

35, Church Street, Heath Town, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph C Mincher Head Married Male 32 1869 Iron Shearer Kinver, Worcestershire, England
Nellie Mincher Wife Married Female 32 1869 - Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England
Joseph C Mincher Son Single Male 5 1896 - Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Joseph Mincher Grand Father Widower Male 68 1833 - Kinver, Worcestershire, England

theres a michael mincher baptism october 20th 1833 in kinver

addison and sarah abode cheeks hill

could michael be addison ????

Thank you safc. I have Richard Mincher baptised 20 October 1833 at Kinver parents Addison and Sarah. This is off the Family Search site.

my mistake

yes image does say richard

I'm glad we haven't got a Michael There's enough names with Addison/Joseph/Mincher/Evans lol.

????

Record Transcription:
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First name(s) John
Last name Minchal
Baptism year 1829
Baptism date 26 Apr 1829
Baptism place Bobbington, Holy Cross
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Addison
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D5148/1/1
Page 27
Register type Baptism
Record set Staffordshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

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Thanks safc. Honeymoon baby! Addison snr was baptised at Holy Cross, Bobbington. Illegitimate son of Margaret. The variations on Mincher are a real hindrance.

??

John Mincher
in the 1841 England Census
Name: John Mincher
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Enville
Hundred: South Seisdon
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration District: Kinver
Neighbors:
Piece: 1002
Book: 7
Folio: 22
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Wm Aingsworth 30 - farmer
Sarah Jones 15
Richard Day 15
John Goatley 60
John Mincher 10 - male servant


John Mencher
in the 1871 England Census
Name: John Mencher
[John Mincher]
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: 1831
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Ewville Worcestershire England
Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Wolverhampton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration District: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration District: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Household Schedule Number: 95
Piece: 2939
Folio: 100
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
John Mencher 40
Martha Mencher 23
Elisabeth Mencher 10
Sarah Mencher 5
Mary Mencher 3


Enville is about 5 miles from Bobbington.

Keeping up the family reputation??

John Mincher
in the England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
Name: John Mincher
Date of Trial: 21 Jul 1852
Trial Year: 1852
Location of Trial: Staffordshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment

15 months for housebreaking and larceny.

John's children:

Mary Mincher
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Mary Mincher
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 17 Jan 1868
Baptism Place: St. Peters, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Father: John Mincher
Mother: Martha


Elizabeth Mincher
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Elizabeth Mincher
Baptism Date: 11 Sep 1861
Baptism Place: St. James', Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Father: John Mincher
Mother: Martha


MINCHER, MARY mms BAXTER
GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 459

MINCHER, SARAH mms BAXTER
GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 463

MINCHER, ELIZABETH mms BAXTER
GRO Reference: 1861 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 432



Marriages Dec 1860 (>99%)
Baxter Martha Wolverhampton 6b 748
Mincher John Wolverhampton 6b 748


John Mincher
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: John Mincher
Gender: Male
Marital status: Single
Marriage Date: 19 Nov 1860
Marriage Place: St. James, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Father: Addison Mincher <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: Martha Baxter

Thank you Argyl. I did laugh when I saw the trial record for John.