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10 Oct 2020 21:30 |
Addison Mincher born c1831 at Kinver Staffordshire, parents Addison Mincher and Sarah Emberry, can't find baptism. He is on the 1841 census at Harts Hill, Kingswinford with his mother and 5 siblings. No Addison snr. However Addison snr is back with the family on the 1851 census at Rookery Lane, Wolverhampton. On 7 July 1851 he marries Elizabeth Evans at St Matthews, Wolverhampton, both full age, But there is another Addison Mincher marries June quarter 1855 Wolverhampton area to either Hannah Dabbs or Elizabeth Beech. My problem is I can't find Addison on any census returns apart from the 1841 census. Can anyone find him? Thanks
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malyon
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10 Oct 2020 22:15 |
Name: Miles Sherwin Event Type: Marriage Event Date: 06 Dec 1903 Event Place: Derby, Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom Gender: Male Age: 60 Marital Status: Widowed Birth Year (Estimated): 1843 Father's Name: Miles Sherwin Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann Lindley Spouse's Gender: Female Spouse's Age: 55 Spouse's Marital Status: Widowed Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated): 1848 Spouse's Father's Name: Addison Mincher xxxxx
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Marian
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10 Oct 2020 22:42 |
Hello Malyon, thank you. Sarah was baptised 17 March 1839 at Brierly Hill. If this is my Sarah she must have lied about her age. I have looked on freebmd for a marriage to a Lindley but can't find one.
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Marian
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10 Oct 2020 23:04 |
Hello, I've just had a look at the index for FMP and in 1852 and in England and Wales, Crimes Punishment and Prisons there is an Addison Mincher. Could someone with access to FMP take a look please.
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10 Oct 2020 23:08 |
The 2 census you refer to - for our info
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Harts Hill, Kingswinford, Stourbridge, Staffordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place Sarah Mincher Female 40 1801 - Eliza Mincher Female 20 1821 Staffordshire, England Addison Mincher Male 10 1831 Staffordshire, England William Mincher Male 9 1832 Staffordshire, England Richard Mincher Male 8 1833 Staffordshire, England George Mincher Male 7 1834 Staffordshire, England Frederick Mincher Male 5 1836 Staffordshire, England
--------------------------- Is Eliza Embery Sarah's daughter (Step daughter may well have been referred to as d-in-law) and is that her on the 1841 as Mincher
1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Rookery Lane, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Addison Mincher Head Married Male 48 1803 Farm Labourer Staffordshire, England Sarah Mincher Wife Married Female 49 1802 - Much Wenlock, Shropshire, England William Mincher Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Farm Labourer Staffordshire, England George Mincher Son Unmarried Male 17 1834 Coal Miner Staffordshire, England Charles Mincher Son - Male 9 1842 Scholar Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Eliza Embery Daughter-In-Law Unmarried Female 28 1823 Dress Maker Bobbington, Shropshire, England
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Marian
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10 Oct 2020 23:13 |
Hello Greyghost, I think Eliza is Sarah's illegitimate daughter although I can't find a baptism for her.
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10 Oct 2020 23:13 |
England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935
First name(s) Addison Last name Mincher Year 1852 Session date 28 Jun 1852 Court Stafford Archive The National Archives Source Home Office: Criminal Registers, England And Wales, 1805-1892 Series HO27 Documents Records created or inherited by the Home Office, Ministry of Home Security, and related bodies Piece 102 Piece scope Salop. - York. Record set England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935 Category Institutions & organisations Subcategory Prison Registers Collections from England, Great Britain, Wales
He was accused of Larceny, found guilty at Stafford Quarter Sessions and sentenced to 3 months in prison
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ArgyllGran
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10 Oct 2020 23:16 |
Addison's wife Elizabeth ??
Elizabeth Mincher in the England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 Name: Elizabeth Mincher Date of Trial: 23 Jul 1867 Trial Year: 1867 Location of Trial: Staffordshire, England Sentence: Imprisonment (3 calendar months) Crime: Endeavouring to conceal the birth of her child.
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ArgyllGran
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10 Oct 2020 23:25 |
On FS:
Eliza Embury England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Eliza Embury Event Type: Christening Event Date: 1 Dec 1821 Event Place: Claverley, Shropshire, England, United Kingdom Event Place (Original): Claverley, Shropshire, England Gender: Female Mother's Name: Sarah Embury
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Marian
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10 Oct 2020 23:28 |
Oh dear, criminals in the family. Thank you both.
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greyghost
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10 Oct 2020 23:31 |
Staffordshire Marriages
First name(s) Addison Last name Mincher Age Full Marriage year 1851 Marriage date 07 Jul 1851 Marriage place Wolverhampton, St Matthew Denomination Anglican Residence Monmore Green Father's first name(s) Addison Father's last name Mincher Spouse's first name(s) Elizabeth Spouse's last name Evans Spouse's age Full Spouse's residence Monmore Green Spouse's father's first name(s) William Spouse's father's last name Evans County Staffordshire Country England Archive reference D3349/5 Page 43 Register type Marriage Record set Staffordshire Marriages Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Marriages
Image shows both of full age. Addison is a Pudler, Father Addison a Labourer
The 1855 marriage doesn't show in the Parish marriage set - you'll need to get the certificate to determine the details
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Marian
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10 Oct 2020 23:35 |
Hello, I got the 1855 marriage off freebmd. I wonder if he committed bigamy!
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ArgyllGran
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10 Oct 2020 23:36 |
Can this be Addison's first wife Sarah? Not dying until 1868 ?
MINCHER, SARAH 66 GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 308
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Marian
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10 Oct 2020 23:40 |
Hello Argyll, Sarah above is Addison snr's wife. Addison jnr's mother. Addison snr died in 1870. Can't find either of them on the 1861 census.
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10 Oct 2020 23:44 |
Children of Addison and Elizabeth Evans? They can't all be ...........
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: MINCHER, SARAH ANN EVANS GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 17 Page 426
MINCHER, JANE EVANS GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 454
MINCHER, JOHN EVANS GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 390
MINCHER, MARY EVANS GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 430
MINCHER, MARGARET ELIZABETH EVANS - NO - her Bap. on freereg, parents Harrison and Elizabeth GRO Reference: 1862 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 398
MINCHER, WILLIAM ADDISON EVANS GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 463
MINCHER, EMILY EVANS GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 563
MINCHER, ELIZABETH EVANS GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 356
MINCHER, JOHN WILLIAM EVANS GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 578
MINCHER, ELIZABETH EVANS GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 212
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another Mincher/Evans marriage, again Wolverhampton RD
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%) Evans Jane Maria Wolverhampton 6b 785 Mincher John Wolverhampton 6b 785
Staffordshire Banns
First name(s) John Last name Mincher Denomination Anglican Banns year 1865 Marriage year 1865 Marriage date 16 Oct 1865 Spouse's first name(s) Jane Maria Spouse's last name Evans Place Bilston, St Mary County Staffordshire Country England Archive reference D6708/1/4 Register type Banns Record set Staffordshire Banns
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10 Oct 2020 23:49 |
Burial entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field (only fields with a value are shown) Value County Staffordshire Place (Links to more information) Wolverhampton Church name (Links to more information) Merridale Cemetery Register type (Links to more information) Transcript Burial date 20 Nov 1864 Burial person forename William Addison Relationship Son of Male relative forename William Addison Burial person surname MINCHER Person age 2m Burial person abode Monmore Green Notes Parish: St. Matthew. Occupation: Puddler. Grave: 9581a. Reg. No.: G2/02617 Transcribed by Michael Clarke File line number 1547
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10 Oct 2020 23:50 |
Burial entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field (only fields with a value are shown) Value County Staffordshire Place (Links to more information) Wolverhampton Church name (Links to more information) Merridale Cemetery Register type (Links to more information) Transcript Burial date 08 Dec 1870 Burial person forename Addison Burial person surname MINCHER Person age 70y Burial person abode Union Workhouse Notes Parish: St. John. Occupation: Labourer. Grave: 6257. Reg. No.: G2/10873 Transcribed by Michael Clarke File line number 1472
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10 Oct 2020 23:51 |
The only baptism showing on FMP for Addison and an Elizabeth - no maiden name unfortunately
Derbyshire Births And Baptisms
First name(s) Elizabeth Last name Mincher Baptism year 1866 Baptism date 06 Nov 1866 Denomination Anglican Church St Peter Place Derby, St Peter County Derbyshire Father's first name(s) Addison Father's last name Mincher Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth Mother's last name Mincher Country England
Emily shows as a Staffs. baptism at Ettingshall d/o John and Jane and then Hannah 1871 d/o John and Jane MAria in Bothwell, Lanarks and Joseph s/o Jaoh and Jane Evans also Bothwell
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Marian
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10 Oct 2020 23:57 |
Thanks everyone for searching, much appreciated. I am going to have to return to this tomorrow as I am now heading off to bed. Many thanks.
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ArgyllGran
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11 Oct 2020 00:22 |
Addison junior seems to call himself Joseph sometimes - and possibly sometimes Evans.
(Unless I'm getting confused with another family )
Presumed daughter of Addison and wife Elizabeth Evans:
MINCHER, SARAH ANN mms EVANS GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 17 Page 426
Sarah Ann Mincher in the 1861 England Census Name: Sarah Ann Mincher Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: 1852 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Joseph Mincher Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mincher Gender: Female Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Wolverhampton Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration District: Wolverhampton Sub-registration District: Wolverhampton Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 36 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 101 Piece: 1996 Folio: 87 Page Number: 22 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Mincher 32 - Bridgnorth, Shropshire - farm labourer, carter Elizabeth Mincher 36 - Bridgnorth Sarah Ann Mincher 9 Jane Mincher 4 John Mincher 2 Mary Mincher 7/12
MINCHER, JANE ms EVANS GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 454
INCHER, JOHN mms EVANS GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 390
This seems to be her in 1871 with parents and two young siblings. They're all lodgers:
Sarah A Mincher in the 1871 England Census Name: Sarah A Mincher Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: 1851 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Wolverhampton Staffordshire England Civil Parish: St Peter Town: Derby County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Registration District: Derby Sub-registration District: St Peter ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household Schedule Number: 28 Piece: 3564 Folio: 6 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Sarah A Mincher 20 - lodger Joseph Mincher 49 - riddler, Wolverhampton Betsey Mincher 48 - Wales Mary Mincher 8 - Wolverhampton Elizabeth Mincher 4 - Derbyshire
Address: 7 Bag Lane <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
MINCHER, ELIZABETH mms EVANS GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 356
MINCHER, MARY mms EVANS GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 430
Sarah A. Lindley in the 1881 England Census Name: Sarah A. Lindley Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relationship to Head: Wife Spouse: Thomas Lindley Gender: Female Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Derby St Peter County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street Address: 8A St Peter St Marital status: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Charwoman Registration District: Derby ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: Piece: 3396 Folio: 5 Page Number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Lindley 32 Sarah A. Lindley 30
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Sarah Ann Evans in the Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932 Name: Sarah Ann Evans Gender: Female Marriage Age: 21 Birth Date: 1850 Marriage Date: 8 Aug 1871 Marriage Place: Derby, St Peter, Derbyshire, England Father: Joseph Evans [ puddler ] Spouse: Thomas Lindley
Sarah's address: 7 Bag Lane. Thomas's address: 5 Bag Lane <<<<<<<<<<<<<
Joseph in 1881:
Joseph Mincher in the 1881 England Census Name: Joseph Mincher Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Elizabeth Mincher Gender: Male Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Derby St Peter County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Street Address: 9 Court 5 Bag Lane <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Marital status: Married Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Labr Iron Works Registration District: Derby ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: Piece: 3394 Folio: 15 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Mincher 52 Elizabeth Mincher 56 - Wales Mary Mincher 22 Noah Holland 23 - lodger Elizabeth Mincher 14
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