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Wallace/Wallis of Wiltshire (Brinkworth/Hankerton]

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Sandra

Sandra Report 15 Sep 2020 23:28

I am finally moving on with my search for family of Maurice Wallace (Maris Wallis) and have found his family in Brinkworth, Wilts and Hankerton, Wilts. He wasnt an only child but No 10 of 14.
His father was Francis Wallis 1800 and mother Sarah Pinnell 1799, Sarah was also from a large family. We seem to have gained a Collingburn (spelled many ways) thrown into the mix. My head is bursting now with many possibilities.
I have been told there is a Ged-file on Moonrakers specific to the Wallaces /Wallis' in Wiltshire but cannot view it. Can anyone tell me how I could view this without using genes and it overwriting my tree? or any other suggestions

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Sep 2020 07:55

What’s Moonrakers site ?

Ahh this one ?

https://www.moonrakers.org.uk/familylinks.asp

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Sep 2020 08:03

Sarah Pinnell
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 1821
Marriage Place: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England
Spouse: Francis Wallis
FHL Film Number: 1279376
Reference ID: 2:2CHD017


1841 census

Francis Wallis
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Gender: Male
Where born: Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Hankerton
Hundred: Malmesbury
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
View image
Registration District: Malmesbury
Sub-registration District: Malmesbury Eastern
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1181
Book: 15
Folio: 13
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Wallis 42
Sarah Wallis 40
John Wallis 18
William Wallis 14
Charles Wallis 12
Ann Wallis 10
Peter Wallis 8
Mary Wallis 6
Hester Wallis 2
Martha Wallis 8 Mo


1851 census

Name: Francis Walles
[Francis Wallis]
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Walles
Gender: Male
Where born: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Hankerton
Ecclesiastical parish: Malmesbury
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Malmesbury
Sub-registration District: Malmesbury Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 4a and 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 72
Piece: 1835
Folio: 82
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Walles 55
Sarah Walles 52
Mary Walles 14
Hester Walles 12
Martha Walles 10
Reuben Walles 8
Ashur Walles 2

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Sep 2020 08:07

Not seeing them with a Maurice ?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 16 Sep 2020 08:18

Asher Wallis seems to be their youngest

Maddie

Maddie Report 16 Sep 2020 11:24

do you have this just a piece of history

Record Transcription:
Wiltshire Removal Orders 1670-1890
What can I do with this record?
Add To Tree
First name(s) Francis
Last name Wallis
Birth year -
Removal year 1822
Removal day 3
Removal month Oct
Age -
Place BRINKWORTH
Removed from place Brinkworth
Removed from county Wiltshire
Removed from country England
Removed to place Hankerton
Removed to county Wiltshire
Removed to country England
Notes
husb of Sarah
Head y
Household 1550
Wiltshire & Swindon record office ref 1607/77
Record set Wiltshire Removal Orders 1670-1890

Francis
Last name Wallis
Year 1823
Year as transcribed 1823
Record type Removal Orders
Place Brinkworth
County Wiltshire
Country England
Notes
Removed from Brinkworth to Hankerton. Francis, wife Sarah, children: elizabeth 8 months.
Source
Transcribed by David Mattock
Archive reference WRO/1607/77
Record set Wiltshire Social & Institutional Records 1123-1968

Francis
Last name Wallis
Year 1831
Year as transcribed 1831
Date 10 Jan 1831
Record type Meetinghouse Certificate
Place Hankerton
County Wiltshire
Country England
Notes
No sect given. Signed certificate for Hankerton.
Source
Wilts Record Society vol.40. Meeting House Certificates 1689-1852 by Dr. Chandler
Archive reference WRO
Record set Wiltshire Social & Institutional Records 1123-1968
Category Directories & social history
Subcategory Social History

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Sep 2020 11:33

Moonrakers is the colloquial name for people from Wiltshire, a county in the West Country of England.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Sep 2020 11:35

What are you looking for Sandra?

In which direction do you wish to research?

When was Maurice/Maris born? Do you have any documentary backup?

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Sep 2020 13:07

Do you have a facility to download the gedcom file in question from the site?

In that case, you could look for a free tree building software program to download to your computer, then open the downloaded gedcom file with that.

I'm afraid it's not something I've done myself.

It does mean that if you want to transfer information to your GR tree, once you've verified it to your satisfaction, you'll need to do it manually.

EDIT: I can't find the gedcom you're talking about on the site, did you actually find it?

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 16 Sep 2020 13:24

I did find a wallace ged in the end - the view 'persons' listed these names: The 'listings' option showed details from the 1830s through to 1950s, so doesn't look to be much help with your family.

Wallace, Douglas Henry William
Wallace, Edgar
Wallace, Frank William
Wallace, Fred George
Wallace, Henry
Wallace, Ian
Wallace, Joyce Ellen
Wallace, Leslie
Wallace, May Rosenna
Wallace, Samuel John
Wallace, Spencer
Wallace, Sydney Charles
Wallace, Tracie Marie
Wallace, Vera Alexina Keevil
Wallace, William
Wallis, Alice
Wallis, Ann
Wallis, Betty
Wallis, Charles
Wallis, Christopher
Wallis, Easther
Wallis, Elizabeth
Wallis, Ellen
Wallis, Francis
Wallis, Francis Joseph
Wallis, Henry
Wallis, Hester
Wallis, James
Wallis, John
Wallis, Mary
Wallis, Nathaniel
Wallis, Richard
Wallis, Samuel
Wallis, Sarah
Wallis, Susanna
Wallis, Thomas
Wallis, William
Wallis, William Charles
Wallis?, ?Susan

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Sep 2020 13:34

As far as can be determined using FMP, and backed up on the GRO site, Asher was the last child of the marriage.

Sarah was 50 when she had Asher (if he was actually hers) - it would be somewhat unrealistic to suggest that she had four further chidlren

WALLIS, ASHUR PINNELL
GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in MALMSBURY UNION Volume 08 Page 346

WALLACE, RENBIN PINNELL
GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in MALMSBURY UNION Volume 08 Page 345

WALLIS, HESTER PINNELL
GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in MALMSBURY UNION Volume 08 Page 320

WALLIS, MARTHA PINNELL
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in MALMSBURY UNION Volume 08 Page 330

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 16 Sep 2020 19:44

Name: Asher Wallis
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1849
Marriage Date: 14 Apr 1873
Marriage Place: West Brompton, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: Francis Wallis
Spouse: Mary Jane Annandale........................age 21
Father: James Annandale

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Sep 2020 14:30

1871

Name: Sarah Wallis
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: 1799
Relation: Mother-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Brinkworth Wiltshire England
Civil Parish: Hankerton
Ecclesiastical parish: Bristol and Gloucester
Town: Hankerton and Cloatly
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Registration District: Malmesbury
Sub-registration District: Malmesbury Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Household Schedule Number: 41
Piece: 1889
Folio: 60
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
James Beale 32
Martha Beale 30
Albert Beale 4
Sarah Wallis 72

1861

Name: Francis Wallace
[Francis Wallis]
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: 1795
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Wallace
Gender: Male
Where born: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Hankerton
Ecclesiastical parish: Bristol and Gloucester
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Registration District: Malmsbury
Sub-registration District: Malmsbury Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 52
Piece: 1276
Folio: 58
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Francis Wallace 66
Sarah Wallace 62
Martha Wallace 20
Asher Wallace 12
Eliza Wallace 8 granddaughter

Maddie

Maddie Report 19 Sep 2020 15:18

elizabeth mentioned inthe removal order

Elizabeth
Last name Wallace
Birth year -
Baptism year 1822
Baptism date 03 Mar 1822
Residence Brinkworth
Place Brinkworth
County Wiltshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Francis
Father's last name Wallace
Father's occupation Labourer
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Record type Bishop's Transcript

in the 1861 England Census

Name: Elizabeth Wallis
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: 1822
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Bristol St Peter
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: Bristol
Sub-registration District: Castle Precincts
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 66
Piece: 1715
Folio: 53
Page Number: 13


in the 1851 England Census

Name: Elizabeth Wallace
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Bristol St Nicholas
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration District: Bristol
Sub-registration District: Castle Precincts
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 7
Piece: 1948
Folio: 51
Page Number: 2

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 19 Sep 2020 15:39

Deaths Sep 1868 (>99%)
Wallis Francis 73 Malmesbury 5a 18

Sandra

Sandra Report 21 Sep 2020 16:50

Thank you everybody for your responses. Shirley, Maddie. ErikaH and Kucinta, thank you so much.
I have now got the Baptism, Marriage, Banns and death records for Wallace/Wallis and Pinnell/ Pinnel Pynnell/ Pinel family to 1600. Just working out who's who in family groups.
Maddie the removal record is interesting, I knew Elizabeth 1822 had been removed and I thought she was taken as a baby into the work/ poor house so it was good to see mom and dad were with her. I am assuming when people are removed it was because they were poor and the parish didn't want them to be a burden on the church but they were born in Brinkworth and living in Hankerton.
They certainly were a fertile couple and the children managed to survive. 14 poor gal.
My Maurice Wallace is my great great grandad so Francis Wallace/Wallis and Sarah Pinnell are my 3x great grand parents. I was stuck for so long because Maurice ( No 10 of 14)was given to his uncle to raise at Oaksey and I only had Sarah Wallace as mother so wrongly assumed she was a single woman and from Oaksey.
Getting somewhere now.
Thanks again to everyone for helping x

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Sep 2020 17:05

You still haven't said when Maurice was born.....................

Who - and when/where - did he marry?


EDITED

I've looked on here and find you have him in your tree as born 1835 in Oaksey - it would have been so much better if you'd given that info in your opening post - or, at the very least, when the question was asked

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Sep 2020 17:14

1841

Name: Mannie Wallis
[Maurice Wallis]
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Male
Where born: Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Oaksey
Hundred: Malmesbury
County/Island: Wiltshire
Country: England
Registration District: Malmesbury
Sub-registration District: Malmesbury Eastern
Piece: 1181
Book: 29
Folio: 10
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Wallis 48
Ann Wallis 50
Thomas Wallis 20
Joseph Wallis 16
Mannie Wallis 5


1851


Henry Wallace Head Married Male 58 1793 Farmer 39 Acres Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England
Elizabeth Wallace Wife Married Female 60 1791 - Wiltshire, England
Joseph Wallace Son Unmarried Male 37 1814 Farmer's Son Hankerton, Wiltshire, England
Maurice Wallace Nephew - Male 15 1836 Labourer Oaksey, Wiltshire, England

1861

Name: Maurice Wallace
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: 1836
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Oaksey, Wiltshire, England*************************
Civil Parish: Berkeley
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration District: Thornbury
Sub-registration District: Berkeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household Schedule Number: 78
Piece: 1749
Folio: 66
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
William Parker 43
Eliza Parker 40
Eliza Parker 15
William Parker 13
Henry Phillips 25
Maurice Wallace 25

1871
Name: Maurice Wallace
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: 1836
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Oaksey Gloucestershire England
Civil Parish: Berkeley
Ecclesiastical parish: Berkeley
Town: Berkeley
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration District: Thornbury
Sub-registration District: Berkeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household Schedule Number: 93
Piece: 2589
Folio: 13
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Maurice Wallace 35
Susana Wallace 34
Henry Wallace 2
James George Dance 21


Name: Susannah Phelps
Gender: Female
Event Type: Banns (Bann)
Marriage Banns Date: 15 Sep 1867
Marriage Banns Place: Rodmarton, Gloucestershire, England
Spouse: Maurice Wallace

Unfortunately, no image of the actual marriage cert is on Ancestry.

I would advise that you get a copy, to find out if he named a father


Name: Maurice Wallace
Age: 45
Birth Year: abt 1836
Burial Date: 26 Sep 1881
Burial Place: Cam, Gloucestershire, England
Parish as it Appears: Cam

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Sep 2020 17:22

Sorry, but he was illegitimate

First name(s) Maurice
Last name Wallis
Birth year -
Baptism year 1835
Baptism date 06 Dec 1835
Residence Oaksey
Place Oaksey
County Wiltshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) -
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Mother's last name Wallis

I have checked the IMAGE on Ancestry - and Sarah is a servant.
NO father named

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Sep 2020 17:33

The 'Uncle'

First name(s) Henry
Last name Wallis
Birth year -
Baptism year 1793
Baptism date 12 May 1793
Place Brinkworth
Father's first name(s) Francis
Mother's first name(s) Betty
Country England
County Wiltshire
Notes pauper

Siblings
First name(s) Ann
Last name Wallis
Birth year -
Baptism year 1791
Baptism date 17 Apr 1791
Place Brinkworth
County Wiltshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Francis
Father's last name Wallis
Mother's first name(s) Betty

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Wallis
Birth year -
Baptism year 1798
Baptism date 27 May 1798
Place Brinkworth
Father's first name(s) Francis
Mother's first name(s) Betty

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Wallis
Birth year -
Baptism year 1805
Baptism date 13 Jan 1805
Place Brinkworth
County Wiltshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Francis
Father's last name Wallis
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth