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Sandra
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15 Sep 2020 23:28 |
I am finally moving on with my search for family of Maurice Wallace (Maris Wallis) and have found his family in Brinkworth, Wilts and Hankerton, Wilts. He wasnt an only child but No 10 of 14. His father was Francis Wallis 1800 and mother Sarah Pinnell 1799, Sarah was also from a large family. We seem to have gained a Collingburn (spelled many ways) thrown into the mix. My head is bursting now with many possibilities. I have been told there is a Ged-file on Moonrakers specific to the Wallaces /Wallis' in Wiltshire but cannot view it. Can anyone tell me how I could view this without using genes and it overwriting my tree? or any other suggestions
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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16 Sep 2020 07:55 |
What’s Moonrakers site ?
Ahh this one ?
https://www.moonrakers.org.uk/familylinks.asp
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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16 Sep 2020 08:03 |
Sarah Pinnell Gender: Female Marriage Date: 1821 Marriage Place: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England Spouse: Francis Wallis FHL Film Number: 1279376 Reference ID: 2:2CHD017
1841 census
Francis Wallis Age: 42 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799 Gender: Male Where born: Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Hankerton Hundred: Malmesbury County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: View image Registration District: Malmesbury Sub-registration District: Malmesbury Eastern Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1181 Book: 15 Folio: 13 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age Francis Wallis 42 Sarah Wallis 40 John Wallis 18 William Wallis 14 Charles Wallis 12 Ann Wallis 10 Peter Wallis 8 Mary Wallis 6 Hester Wallis 2 Martha Wallis 8 Mo
1851 census
Name: Francis Walles [Francis Wallis] Age: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Walles Gender: Male Where born: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Hankerton Ecclesiastical parish: Malmesbury Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps: View related Ecclesiastical Parish County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: Malmesbury Sub-registration District: Malmesbury Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 4a and 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 72 Piece: 1835 Folio: 82 Page Number: 17 Household Members: Name Age Francis Walles 55 Sarah Walles 52 Mary Walles 14 Hester Walles 12 Martha Walles 10 Reuben Walles 8 Ashur Walles 2
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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16 Sep 2020 08:07 |
Not seeing them with a Maurice ?
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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16 Sep 2020 08:18 |
Asher Wallis seems to be their youngest
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Maddie
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16 Sep 2020 11:24 |
do you have this just a piece of history
Record Transcription: Wiltshire Removal Orders 1670-1890 What can I do with this record? Add To Tree First name(s) Francis Last name Wallis Birth year - Removal year 1822 Removal day 3 Removal month Oct Age - Place BRINKWORTH Removed from place Brinkworth Removed from county Wiltshire Removed from country England Removed to place Hankerton Removed to county Wiltshire Removed to country England Notes husb of Sarah Head y Household 1550 Wiltshire & Swindon record office ref 1607/77 Record set Wiltshire Removal Orders 1670-1890
Francis Last name Wallis Year 1823 Year as transcribed 1823 Record type Removal Orders Place Brinkworth County Wiltshire Country England Notes Removed from Brinkworth to Hankerton. Francis, wife Sarah, children: elizabeth 8 months. Source Transcribed by David Mattock Archive reference WRO/1607/77 Record set Wiltshire Social & Institutional Records 1123-1968
Francis Last name Wallis Year 1831 Year as transcribed 1831 Date 10 Jan 1831 Record type Meetinghouse Certificate Place Hankerton County Wiltshire Country England Notes No sect given. Signed certificate for Hankerton. Source Wilts Record Society vol.40. Meeting House Certificates 1689-1852 by Dr. Chandler Archive reference WRO Record set Wiltshire Social & Institutional Records 1123-1968 Category Directories & social history Subcategory Social History
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ErikaH
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16 Sep 2020 11:33 |
Moonrakers is the colloquial name for people from Wiltshire, a county in the West Country of England.
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ErikaH
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16 Sep 2020 11:35 |
What are you looking for Sandra?
In which direction do you wish to research?
When was Maurice/Maris born? Do you have any documentary backup?
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Kucinta
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16 Sep 2020 13:07 |
Do you have a facility to download the gedcom file in question from the site?
In that case, you could look for a free tree building software program to download to your computer, then open the downloaded gedcom file with that.
I'm afraid it's not something I've done myself.
It does mean that if you want to transfer information to your GR tree, once you've verified it to your satisfaction, you'll need to do it manually.
EDIT: I can't find the gedcom you're talking about on the site, did you actually find it?
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Kucinta
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16 Sep 2020 13:24 |
I did find a wallace ged in the end - the view 'persons' listed these names: The 'listings' option showed details from the 1830s through to 1950s, so doesn't look to be much help with your family.
Wallace, Douglas Henry William Wallace, Edgar Wallace, Frank William Wallace, Fred George Wallace, Henry Wallace, Ian Wallace, Joyce Ellen Wallace, Leslie Wallace, May Rosenna Wallace, Samuel John Wallace, Spencer Wallace, Sydney Charles Wallace, Tracie Marie Wallace, Vera Alexina Keevil Wallace, William Wallis, Alice Wallis, Ann Wallis, Betty Wallis, Charles Wallis, Christopher Wallis, Easther Wallis, Elizabeth Wallis, Ellen Wallis, Francis Wallis, Francis Joseph Wallis, Henry Wallis, Hester Wallis, James Wallis, John Wallis, Mary Wallis, Nathaniel Wallis, Richard Wallis, Samuel Wallis, Sarah Wallis, Susanna Wallis, Thomas Wallis, William Wallis, William Charles Wallis?, ?Susan
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ErikaH
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16 Sep 2020 13:34 |
As far as can be determined using FMP, and backed up on the GRO site, Asher was the last child of the marriage.
Sarah was 50 when she had Asher (if he was actually hers) - it would be somewhat unrealistic to suggest that she had four further chidlren
WALLIS, ASHUR PINNELL GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in MALMSBURY UNION Volume 08 Page 346
WALLACE, RENBIN PINNELL GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in MALMSBURY UNION Volume 08 Page 345
WALLIS, HESTER PINNELL GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in MALMSBURY UNION Volume 08 Page 320
WALLIS, MARTHA PINNELL GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in MALMSBURY UNION Volume 08 Page 330
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ErikaH
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16 Sep 2020 19:44 |
Name: Asher Wallis Gender: Male Marriage Age: 24 Record Type: Marriage Birth Date: abt 1849 Marriage Date: 14 Apr 1873 Marriage Place: West Brompton, Kensington and Chelsea, England Father: Francis Wallis Spouse: Mary Jane Annandale........................age 21 Father: James Annandale
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ErikaH
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19 Sep 2020 14:30 |
1871
Name: Sarah Wallis Age: 72 Estimated Birth Year: 1799 Relation: Mother-in-law Gender: Female Where born: Brinkworth Wiltshire England Civil Parish: Hankerton Ecclesiastical parish: Bristol and Gloucester Town: Hankerton and Cloatly County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Registration District: Malmesbury Sub-registration District: Malmesbury Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household Schedule Number: 41 Piece: 1889 Folio: 60 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age James Beale 32 Martha Beale 30 Albert Beale 4 Sarah Wallis 72
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Name: Francis Wallace [Francis Wallis] Age: 66 Estimated Birth Year: 1795 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Wallace Gender: Male Where born: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Hankerton Ecclesiastical parish: Bristol and Gloucester County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Registration District: Malmsbury Sub-registration District: Malmsbury Eastern ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household Schedule Number: 52 Piece: 1276 Folio: 58 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Francis Wallace 66 Sarah Wallace 62 Martha Wallace 20 Asher Wallace 12 Eliza Wallace 8 granddaughter
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Maddie
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19 Sep 2020 15:18 |
elizabeth mentioned inthe removal order
Elizabeth Last name Wallace Birth year - Baptism year 1822 Baptism date 03 Mar 1822 Residence Brinkworth Place Brinkworth County Wiltshire Country England Father's first name(s) Francis Father's last name Wallace Father's occupation Labourer Mother's first name(s) Sarah Record type Bishop's Transcript
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Wallis Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: 1822 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Bristol St Peter County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration District: Bristol Sub-registration District: Castle Precincts ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 66 Piece: 1715 Folio: 53 Page Number: 13
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Wallace Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Bristol St Nicholas County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Street Address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration District: Bristol Sub-registration District: Castle Precincts ED, institution, or vessel: 1c Neighbors: Household Schedule Number: 7 Piece: 1948 Folio: 51 Page Number: 2
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ErikaH
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19 Sep 2020 15:39 |
Deaths Sep 1868 (>99%) Wallis Francis 73 Malmesbury 5a 18
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Sandra
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21 Sep 2020 16:50 |
Thank you everybody for your responses. Shirley, Maddie. ErikaH and Kucinta, thank you so much. I have now got the Baptism, Marriage, Banns and death records for Wallace/Wallis and Pinnell/ Pinnel Pynnell/ Pinel family to 1600. Just working out who's who in family groups. Maddie the removal record is interesting, I knew Elizabeth 1822 had been removed and I thought she was taken as a baby into the work/ poor house so it was good to see mom and dad were with her. I am assuming when people are removed it was because they were poor and the parish didn't want them to be a burden on the church but they were born in Brinkworth and living in Hankerton. They certainly were a fertile couple and the children managed to survive. 14 poor gal. My Maurice Wallace is my great great grandad so Francis Wallace/Wallis and Sarah Pinnell are my 3x great grand parents. I was stuck for so long because Maurice ( No 10 of 14)was given to his uncle to raise at Oaksey and I only had Sarah Wallace as mother so wrongly assumed she was a single woman and from Oaksey. Getting somewhere now. Thanks again to everyone for helping x
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ErikaH
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21 Sep 2020 17:05 |
You still haven't said when Maurice was born.....................
Who - and when/where - did he marry?
EDITED
I've looked on here and find you have him in your tree as born 1835 in Oaksey - it would have been so much better if you'd given that info in your opening post - or, at the very least, when the question was asked
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ErikaH
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21 Sep 2020 17:14 |
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Name: Mannie Wallis [Maurice Wallis] Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Gender: Male Where born: Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Oaksey Hundred: Malmesbury County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Registration District: Malmesbury Sub-registration District: Malmesbury Eastern Piece: 1181 Book: 29 Folio: 10 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age Henry Wallis 48 Ann Wallis 50 Thomas Wallis 20 Joseph Wallis 16 Mannie Wallis 5
1851
Henry Wallace Head Married Male 58 1793 Farmer 39 Acres Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England Elizabeth Wallace Wife Married Female 60 1791 - Wiltshire, England Joseph Wallace Son Unmarried Male 37 1814 Farmer's Son Hankerton, Wiltshire, England Maurice Wallace Nephew - Male 15 1836 Labourer Oaksey, Wiltshire, England
1861
Name: Maurice Wallace Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: 1836 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Oaksey, Wiltshire, England************************* Civil Parish: Berkeley County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration District: Thornbury Sub-registration District: Berkeley ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household Schedule Number: 78 Piece: 1749 Folio: 66 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age William Parker 43 Eliza Parker 40 Eliza Parker 15 William Parker 13 Henry Phillips 25 Maurice Wallace 25
1871 Name: Maurice Wallace Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: 1836 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Oaksey Gloucestershire England Civil Parish: Berkeley Ecclesiastical parish: Berkeley Town: Berkeley County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration District: Thornbury Sub-registration District: Berkeley ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Household Schedule Number: 93 Piece: 2589 Folio: 13 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age Maurice Wallace 35 Susana Wallace 34 Henry Wallace 2 James George Dance 21
Name: Susannah Phelps Gender: Female Event Type: Banns (Bann) Marriage Banns Date: 15 Sep 1867 Marriage Banns Place: Rodmarton, Gloucestershire, England Spouse: Maurice Wallace
Unfortunately, no image of the actual marriage cert is on Ancestry.
I would advise that you get a copy, to find out if he named a father
Name: Maurice Wallace Age: 45 Birth Year: abt 1836 Burial Date: 26 Sep 1881 Burial Place: Cam, Gloucestershire, England Parish as it Appears: Cam
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ErikaH
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21 Sep 2020 17:22 |
Sorry, but he was illegitimate
First name(s) Maurice Last name Wallis Birth year - Baptism year 1835 Baptism date 06 Dec 1835 Residence Oaksey Place Oaksey County Wiltshire Country England Father's first name(s) - Mother's first name(s) Sarah Mother's last name Wallis
I have checked the IMAGE on Ancestry - and Sarah is a servant. NO father named
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ErikaH
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21 Sep 2020 17:33 |
The 'Uncle'
First name(s) Henry Last name Wallis Birth year - Baptism year 1793 Baptism date 12 May 1793 Place Brinkworth Father's first name(s) Francis Mother's first name(s) Betty Country England County Wiltshire Notes pauper
Siblings First name(s) Ann Last name Wallis Birth year - Baptism year 1791 Baptism date 17 Apr 1791 Place Brinkworth County Wiltshire Country England Father's first name(s) Francis Father's last name Wallis Mother's first name(s) Betty
First name(s) Thomas Last name Wallis Birth year - Baptism year 1798 Baptism date 27 May 1798 Place Brinkworth Father's first name(s) Francis Mother's first name(s) Betty
First name(s) Elizabeth Last name Wallis Birth year - Baptism year 1805 Baptism date 13 Jan 1805 Place Brinkworth County Wiltshire Country England Father's first name(s) Francis Father's last name Wallis Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
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