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Wallace/Wallis of Wiltshire (Brinkworth/Hankerton]

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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Sep 2020 17:44

Name: Charles Wallis
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 29 Oct 1826
Christening Place: Hankerton, Wiltshire, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: Francis Wallis
Mother: Sarah Wallis

Name: George Wallis
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 2 Nov 1824
Baptism Place: Hankerton, Wiltshire, Englandh
Father: Francis Wallis
Mother: Sarah Wallis

Name: Jane Wallis
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 22 May 1831
Baptism Place: Hankerton, Wiltshire, England
Father: Francis Wallis
Mother: Sarah Wallis

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 21 Sep 2020 20:49

So Maurice was the father of ALBERT - who married Millicent Osborne, the subject of another thread.

No duplication involved - merely a link

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Sep 2020 11:44

Yes, digressing from Maurice to confirm re Albert -

The other thread:
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1345618

Albert and Millicent/Minnie in 1901, already posted on the other thread (link above):

Albert Wallace
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Albert Wallace
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Minnie Wallace
Birth Place: Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Coventry
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Coventry
Sub-registration District: Holy Trinity
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Neighbors:
Piece: 2910
Folio: 210
Page Number: 18
Household Schedule Number: 112
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Wallace 20
Minnie Wallace 20
Albert Wallace 2/12
Herbert Wallace 2


Albert in 1891 before marriage (which was in 1900):

Albert Wallace
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Albert Wallace
Gender: Male
Age: 10
Relationship: Nephew
Birth Year: 1881
Birth Place: Cambridgeshire, Gloucestershire, England
[Cam, Gloucestershire, England]
Civil Parish: Eastington
Ecclesiastical parish: Eastington
Residence Place: Alkerton, Eastington, Gloucestershire, England
Registration District: Wheatenhurst
Sub registration district: Frampton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Piece: 2020
Folio: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Phelps 53
Arthur Phelps 19
Robert Phelps 15
Hubert Phelps 13
Albert Wallace 10
Susannah Dawe 79
Lydia Bailey 28


and 1881 with his parents:

Albert Wallace
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Albert Wallace
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Maurice Wallace
Mother: Susanna Wallace
Gender: Male
Where born: Berkeley Rd, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Cam
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: Yew Tree Cottage
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Registration District: Dursley
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 2520
Folio: 112
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Maurice Wallace 45 - Oaksey, Wilts.
Susanna Wallace 45
Harry Wallace 13
Fanny F. Wallace 3
Albert Wallace

Erika has already posted 1861 and 1871 for Maurice and Susanna (nee Phelps), and earlier censuses for Maurice.


Susanna is the sister-in-law of Albert's aunt Jane Phelps (nee Dawe) in the 1891 census posted above.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Sep 2020 14:21

I also agree with Erika that Maurice was born illegitimately.

His baptism record again - from Ancestry this time:

Mauris Wallis
in the Wiltshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916
Name: Mauris Wallis
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 6 Dec 1835
Baptism Place: Oaksey, Wiltshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Oaksey
Mother: Sarah Wallis


If you have a sub to Ancestry, Sandra, have a look at the image of the original document.
It clearly shows that no father is named.

You said earlier, "I was stuck for so long because Maurice ( No 10 of 14)was given to his uncle to raise at Oaksey and I only had Sarah Wallace as mother so wrongly assumed she was a single woman and from Oaksey."

You were correct about Sarah the first time. Maurice's mother was unmarried.

Henry Wallis/Wallace (born c1793 in Brinkworth) was indeed Maurice's uncle, per 1851 census already posted .

Francis Wallis/Wallace (born c 1795 Brinkworth) was Henry's brother . Can't prove it from existing documentation, but it seems very likely, given birthplace and nearness in age.

Henry's father was called Francis, per the banns for Henry's second marriage in 1849:

Henry Walles
in the Wiltshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1916
Name: Henry Walles [ farmer, Oaksey ]
Gender: Male
Age: Of Full Age
Marriage or Bann Date: 26 Apr 1849
Marriage or Bann Place: Charlton, St John the Baptist, Wiltshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Charlton
Father: Frances Walles [labourer]
Spouse: Elizabeth Reeve


Therefore , by logical deduction, Sarah Wallis (Maurice's mother, unmarried) was a sister of both Francis and Henry.

She was NOT Sarah Pinnell, who had married Francis in 1821.



ErikaH

ErikaH Report 22 Sep 2020 14:36

Name: Elizabeth Wallis
Gender: Female
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 14 Sep 1800
Baptism Place: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England
Father: Francis Wallis
Mother: Elizabeth Wallis

Name: Elizabeth Wallis
Gender: Female
Burial Date: 20 Aug 1801
Burial Place: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England
Father: Francis Wallis
Mother: Elizabeth

Name: Elizabeth Wallis
Gender: Female
Event Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Jan 1805
Baptism Place: Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England
Father: Francis Wallis
Mother: Elizabeth Wallis

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 22 Sep 2020 14:37

Sandra -
you mentioned the name Collingburn.

Where did you find that? In what context?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Sep 2020 11:54

I wonder whether Sandra will return............ :-S :-S

Sandra

Sandra Report 26 Sep 2020 00:57

Ok everyone. Firstly I apologise for not including all information I mistakenly thought what I had posted before would still all be there so here it all is.
As I stated I had been confused about Maurice for so long as he is my direct line.
As a result I posted question for help and signed up with Genes, Thegenealogist, myheritage, fmf , CLDS, for a while and all the free ones and bought copies of available certificates.
Through all of this I knew for definate through census records etc That Maurice was given by Sarah Wallace to her brother in law Henry Wallis. Henry and his siblings were all born in Brinkworth and their parents were Francis Wallis1770 and Betty (Elizabeth) Colinburn ( spelled any number of ways.)
Henry the oldest - b1793 - d1865 was married twice having 1 child with each.
1 Ann Whitfield b1784 - 1848? son Thomas Wallis b1821.plus 3 more
2 Elizabeth Reeve b1791 - 1873 had Joseph Wallace b1824 - 1882.
as far as we know

Henrys brother was Thomas Wallis b1798 and married to Edith Vizard b 1826
they had Richard Wallace/is 1844, Jacob Wallace/is 1847, and Phoebe Wallace/is 1849.

Also brother Francis Wallis b 1800 who married Sarah Pinnell b 1800. in 1821
They had Elizabeth Wallis b1822
John Wallis b 1823
George Wallis b 1824
William Wallis b 1826
Charles Wallis b 1829
Jane Wallis b 1830
Ann Wallis b 1831
Peter Wallis b 1833
Mary Wallis b c1834
Maurice Wallace b 1835
Hester b 1838
Martha b 1840
Reuben b 1843
Asher b 1849- 1917

These has all appeared on various census records of all the different family members. I am only half way through double checking the marriages and children of the siblings as I believed for a long time there was only Maurice.
Seeing that the first child was born into poverty, despite Francis always being in work I believe this was the reason Maurice was given away to Francis's brother Henry. Henry had done quite well for himself running a farm in Hankerton and going on to a farm of 39 acres in Oaksey (Mambys Farm) He married 2 ladies not at the same time, and a child with each Thomas b 1821 and Joseph b 1924. plus 3 more with Ann

The 3 Wallis brothers also had a sister Elizabeth b 1800 - d 1801

So back to Maurice, His mother was Sarah Pinnell Married to Francis Wallis in Brinkworth. we believe it was down to poverty and too many children and the chance of a better life that he was given to Henry to raise on his farm in Oaksey and as such was christened in Oaksey. That way he couldnt be removed to Brinkworth like their first child was in hard times.

When he grew up he left to work with horses as a groom at Rodmarton where he met his wife to be Susannh Phelps. She was a servant and he was a groom. They married in21/7/1867 at Rodmarton, Cirencester
They went on to have 3 children Henry (Harry) Wallace b 1869-1944, Fanny Florence Wallace b 1878 - 1914, and Albert Wallace b!880 -1929. Albert is my great grandfather. Harry married Mary W Meredith b 1899 in Bristol and lived in Bristol as a coachman , Fanny Florence Wallace married Percy J Styles in 6/9/1902 In Eastbourne, Sussex. And Albert married Millicent Osborne ( also spelled many ways)they married in Coventry 1900 and had 4 children.
twins Herbert Wallace and Albert Wallace b 1901 Herbert d 1967 my grandfather. and his brother Albert died in 1976, Sidney b 1903 d1904, and Henry S Wallace (Harry) b1905-1984.
Maurice Died suddenly with apoplexy and his wife Susannah had a stroke or fit , Albert snr was only 1
This is why Albert Wallace snr said Millicent was dead on the census records. We know she wasnt she just went off and left them .
Hope all of this is making more sense now .
I like to research and double and triple check and get a friend to check before I accept it as with all the different spellings and lying about where they were born its easy to slip up. My Wallis /Wallace family have always seemed to be scattered to the four winds.
Thanks for all your help everyone
Sandra Walker -Martin

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Sep 2020 08:58

Your family - you must believe what you wish, but the documented evidence doesn’t support your theory about Maurice.

Do you have his marriage cert?

The marriage COULD NOT have taken place in JULY. The Banns weren't called until SEPTEMBER

Sandra

Sandra Report 26 Sep 2020 11:57

Yes I do have his marriage certificate.
Maurice Wallace 33 Bachelor married at Rodmarton, Glocs to Susannah Phelps 31 Spinster. Both listed as servants. Maurice was living at Culkerton and Susannah was living at Berkeley Castle. Susannahs father was Joseph Phelps and Maurices was left blank. Witnesses Charles Phelps and Jane Williams (family)
21st September 1867

On Maurices death certificate 25th September 1881 aged 45 at his home in Lower Cam it was in the presence of Hannah Brazingtree, neighbour.

getting there :

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Sep 2020 12:13

Father LEFT BLANK = ILLEGITIMATE

Q.E.D