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17 Aug 2020 12:13 |
My Aunty Nellie was my Grandma Elsie sister and I never saw her till I was a young teenager and she had moved to Blackpool. I went with my Grandad Albert Whalley Riley 1890 for a few mid week holidays in 1962, 63 and 64. Elsie my grandma died in 1961 Nellie lived at 20 Gorton Ave FX4 2JW Blackpool a very smart semi What I remember was there was no chap in the house but another lady lived in the back room and I called her aunty Maggie but she was not my relative. There was also lots of model planes made out of wood which had been varnished brown and they hung from the ceiling in the bedroom and outhouse I was not allowed to touch them but they were all fighter jets like spitfires. I have a picture on my Aunty Nellie with her daughter who looks about 13 at the end of the pier in Blackpool and someone has wrote in pencil at the back Great Aunty Nellie and Hilda Atkinson which is strange that she is referred to Atkinson her maiden name. Also a young lady used to call at the house from school who was a couple of years older then me and she was obsessed with Cilla Black and had a Cilla haircut and my grandad gave us some money and we went to the pleasure beach together and my grandad and Nellie went went to the pub and went back on the bus together. A number of my relative moved to Blackpool do not know why Ernie Riley grandad brother, James Shorrock Riley who had a car garage there he was the most interesting person on my family tree as he was a wheel wright and `emigrated` to Midlands as part or of car manufacturers and I have him in lodgings with people from Daimler, Rover etc .and lots of pictures with my Aunty Nellie. My grandad when he was in his late 80`sreceived a letter from Nellie to say she had gone blind and was in a nursing home. Sorry about the tale but I cannot find the marriage on my aunty Nellie she must have been married perhaps he was killed during the war. Thanks David hope you can help they were happy times in Blackpool.
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ArgyllGran
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17 Aug 2020 12:27 |
How do you know that Hilda Atkinson is Nellie's daughter?
Are you just assuming that from the inscription on the photo, or do you have proof?
What year do you think the photo might have been taken?
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ErikaH
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17 Aug 2020 12:33 |
Why do you say she 'must' have been married?
If you want help, we need facts
Here's one for a start
Marriages Dec 1922 (>99%) Atkinson Elsie Riley Wigan 8c 127 RILEY Albert W Atkinson Wigan 8c 127
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alviegal
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17 Aug 2020 12:34 |
What lovely memories to have David. Thanks for sharing.
Is this your Nellie and Elsie?
1911 Census For England & Wales
25 Pottery St Wigan, Wigan, Lancashire, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Thomas Atkinson Head Married Male 47 1864 Coal Miner Hewer Lancashire Wigan Ellen Atkinson Wife Married Female 45 1866 - Lancashire Lower Ince Peter Atkinson Son Single Male 23 1888 Coal Miner Hewer's Trammer Lancashire Lower Ince Richard Atkinson Son Single Male 20 1891 Underground Labourer Coal Mine Lancashire Lower Ince >>Nellie Atkinson Daughter Single Female 15 1896 Machine Cotton Roller Cotton Mill Lancashire Lower Ince Thomas Atkinson Son - Male 14 1897 Underground Labourer Caol Mine Lancashire Lower Ince >>Elise Atkinson Daughter - Female 9 1902 School Lancashire Wigan Gladys Atkinson Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Lancashire Wigan
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ArgyllGran
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17 Aug 2020 12:36 |
Might Hilda have been a niece ?
Just a suggestion, as I see that Nellie had a brother Peter:
Births Dec 1921 (>99%) Atkinson Hilda Withington Wigan 8c 59
Marriages Jun 1919 (>99%) Atkinson Peter Withington Wigan 8c 198 Withington Annie Atkinson Wigan 8c 198
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David
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17 Aug 2020 12:42 |
On the picture Nellie was tall and slim so is Hilda and someone wrote Hilda Atkinson could not be a sister. Yes my grandma Elsie was married in 1922 How did she have a house like that if she was not married
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David
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17 Aug 2020 12:49 |
You may be right Hilda may have been Peter`s daughter and she may gone on a day trip to Blackpool and had her picture taken by prom photographer
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ErikaH
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17 Aug 2020 12:54 |
1939 8 Mort Street, Wigan, Wigan C.B., Lancashire, England Albert W Riley 22 Oct 1890 Male Motor Bus Driver (Coal) Married 20 1 Elsie Riley 09 Sep 1900 Female Unpaid Domestic Married 20 2 Richard Riley 13 Feb 1923 Male Shop Assistant (Wires) Single 20 3 Ernest Riley 20 Aug 1931 Male At School Single 20 4
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ErikaH
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17 Aug 2020 12:54 |
Name: Ellen Atkinson Birth Date: 9 May 1895 Baptism Date: 20 May 1895 Baptism Place: Wigan, All Saints, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: Wigan Father: Thomas Atkinson Mother: Ellen Atkinson
ATKINSON Ellen CROOKS 1895 Hindley Wigan & Leigh HNDL/120/355
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ErikaH
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17 Aug 2020 12:58 |
Name: Ellen Atkinson Gender: Female Age: 25 Record Type: Marriage Birth Year: abt 1895 Marriage Date: 18 Dec 1920 Marriage Place: Wigan, St James, Lancashire, England Parish as it Appears: Wigan, St James Father: Thomas Atkinson......Collier Spouse: David Sharrock.....aged 48..widower
Address : 25, Pottery Street Witness ELSIE Atkinson
EDITED
NOT the right Ellen
DoB on 1939 register is Aug 1894
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David
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17 Aug 2020 13:02 |
Perhaps she was not married may try land register for the house
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ErikaH
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17 Aug 2020 13:16 |
If you do, you'll need the correct details
20 Garton Avenue BLACKPOOL FY4 2JW
1939 occupants
Fred C Unsworth 02 Aug 1897 Male Bus Driver Married 120 1 Margaret (E) Unsworth 10 Jun 1893 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 120 4 John D Unsworth 08 Jun 1933 Male At School Single 120 4 And a few more children
Bear in mind that she may not have owned the house - she could have been a tenant - or a housekeeper. Keep an open mind
When/where did she die?
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David
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17 Aug 2020 13:32 |
She probably died in the 1970/80`s in Blackpool at a nursing home
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alviegal
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17 Aug 2020 14:31 |
Marriage: 18 Dec 1920 St James, Poolstock, Wigan, Lancashire, England David Sharrock - 48, Foreman Decorator, Widower, 182 Darlington St. E. Ellen Atkinson - 25, Spinster, 25 Pottery St. Groom's Father: James Sharrock, (deceased), Engineer Bride's Father: Thomas Atkinson, Collier Witness: James Sharrock; Elsie Atkinson Married by Banns by: Arthur White Vicar Register: Marriages 1914 - 1927, Page 133, Entry 266 Source: Original register at Wigan Archives
25 Pottery Street is the same address as in the 1911 census.
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ArgyllGran
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17 Aug 2020 14:34 |
Just following on re Hilda:
?? Peter Atkinson in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Peter Atkinson Death Age: 44 Birth Date: abt 1888 Registration Date: Apr 1932 [May 1932] [Jun 1932] Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Wigan Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 65
?? Annie Atkinson in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Annie Atkinson Gender: Female Marital status: Widowed Birth Date: 29 Nov 1896 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 33 Caroline Street Residence Place: Wigan, Lancashire, England Occupation: Agent, Clothing Societ[y] Line Number: 23 Schedule Number: 51 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: NSIC Borough: Wigan Registration district: 458/2 Household Members: Name Annie Atkinson [and two closed records ]
One of the closed records may be Hilda, and the other may be her brother Peter born 1927.
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ErikaH
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17 Aug 2020 14:47 |
???????????? - but probably not as age is wrong for DoB Deaths Dec 1967 (>99%) Atkinson Ellen 70 Blackpool 10b 575
Only by purchasing a copy of the cert will you be able to learn if it's the right record
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ArgyllGran
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17 Aug 2020 14:53 |
??? David Sharrock in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: David Sharrock Death Age: 65 Birth Date: abt 1873 Registration Date: Jan 1938 [Feb 1938] [Mar 1938] Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district: Wigan Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 62
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ErikaH
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17 Aug 2020 14:56 |
Do you know if she was alive when your grandfather died?
Deaths Mar 1980 (>99%) RILEY ALBERT WHALLEY 22OC1890 WIGAN 39 2586
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David
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17 Aug 2020 15:01 |
Hello ErikaH
The owners of the house in 1939 were Fred and Margaret Unsworth.
The other lady living there in 1961 I called aunty Maggie
Was that Margaret Unsworth when did Fred die
If he died before 61 that would solve the puzzle Nellie was lodging there
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ErikaH
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17 Aug 2020 15:05 |
Deaths Sep 1980 (85%) UNSWORTH MARGARET ELIZABETH 10JE1893 BLACKPOOL/F 40 725
You could have found these on freebmd
Deaths Mar 1952 (>99%) UNSWORTH Fred C 54 Blackpool 10b 617
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