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On the London Electoral Register -

in 1894 Arthur Hurrell is at 81 Station Road, Plumstead.

Nobody's listed at no. 81 in 1895 - it jumps from 79 to 85.
Also in 1895, White Conduit Street, Islington jumps from 6 to 15.

No help, I'm afraid!

thanks for trying

The Minnie Randall posted earlier with mother Mary Ann Randall (nee Byrne) born Cork about 1835 is I'am afraid not the correct Minnie

She was Minnie Catherine Randall born 15/3/1869 married 29/9/1889 to John Connor,
Her dad was William Randall born Faversham Kent a saddler 1832-1879
She had a brother Frederick James Randall 15/11/1871 married Eliza and had
daughter Minnie Catherine Randall
1911 Minnie Conner and John Connor with niece Minnie Catherine Randall 17

Henry Edward Randall 1861 brother to Minnie 1869 married Jessie in 1893 and the witness's were Emma Mary Randall and John Connoer

Emma Mary Randall married 1896 and her witness;s were John and Minnie Connor.

So who and where was the real Minnie Eugenia Randall??

Maryb.

starting to feel this one is a brick wall but will keeping looking...running out of options though thanks for your interest

The daughter was born and died in West Ham district

Unfortunately there's no sign of them in 1897 either on ERs.

The London ER for around that time only lists the householder, and not other people living there, which doesn't help either. There are lots of Albert Reads in London.

It's so odd that they don't seem to be on any census, nor Minnie before marriage.
I would be tempted to think that they'd changed their name for some reason, except that the sons both married as Read.

Also I can't see any family in 1901 with the all right first names and ages, even with a different surname.

No obvious deaths for Albert or Minnie, either.


If it were my search, I would be tempted to buy Susan Emily's birth cert to see the address.
Not that William Richard or Albert Henry's birth certs helped, so that could just be a further waste of money!

Not that I think it makes any difference, have just noticed that Albert and Minnie give the same address on their wedding certificate 81 Station Road in 1893.
Feel the need to send for Susan`s birth certificate just to see where it takes this.
I find it hard to believe that other people researching the same family have not met with the same problems

Not unusual to give same address for bride and groom - saved paying for two sets of Banns

They probably have - that's why none of the trees on Ancestry give any census or death info for them.

If we here on GR can't find them, I'm sure nobody else can!

sending for next birth certificate, other half thinks I`ve gone mad

In 1893, Arthur Hurrell is at 81 Station Road, as in 1894 already mentioned.

Presumably they rented from him, but as he would be the owner or official tenant, only his name shows on the ER.

If they were still there in 1901 would Mr Hurrell have to give names of his tenants?

If they were there in 1901, they would have their own entry on the census - unless somehow they missed filling out a form - and certainly there's no sign of them.

It's a Meekums family there in 1901 - and it doesn't look as if they'd have had room to squeeze in anyone else! It's a 5-roomed dwelling.

Thomas C Meekums
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Thomas C Meekums
Age in 1911: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Plumstead, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Plumstead
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 81 Station Road, Plumstead S E
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Brick Layer
Registration district: Woolwich
Registration District Number: 30
Sub-registration district: Plumstead West
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 2899
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas C Meekums 37
Alice G Meekums 35
Ernest W G Meekums 14
Thomas A Meekums 12
William C Meekums 10
Gertrude A A Meekums 9
Joseph G Meekums 5
Charles H Meekums 4
Agnes K Meekums 2
George J Meekums 1

Feel for the Meekums!

And just for the record - 8 White Conduit Street in 1901:

Jacob Tower
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Jacob Tower
Age in 1911: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Russia
Civil Parish: Clerkenwell St James and Clerkenwell St John
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 8 White Conduit St, Islington N
Marital status: Married
Estimated Marriage Year: 1881
Registration district: Holborn
Registration District Number: 14
Sub-registration district: Clerkenwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 01
Piece: 1216
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Tower 53
Sarah Tower 60
Dora Tower 22
Sylvia Tower 20
Asher Tower 18
Harold Atlas 4

Found this,see what you think

William Randall 1826-8 Greenwich Kent fireman /mariner parents Paul a Mariner and Sarah
William had a sister Matilda married George Frederick Priest 1864
He also had sister Elizabeth @ 1821

William Randall married 1849 to Maria Rowe

1871Southwark
William 1828
Maria
William
Susan 1862 Bermondsey Surrey Baptised Susan Emily Randale s qtr 1862 V01d P 84
Minnie age 3 born Bermondsey I can't find her birth

Didn't Minnie and Albert have daughter Susan Emily who died.

I haven't found them in 1881 yet.

Maryb

Looks like a good possibility, Mary.

Minnie and Albert's daughter Susan Emily 's birth and death were both in the 4th quarter of 1897.

The 1871 posted by Mary - William is a stoker on steamer (I think it says):

William Randall
in the 1871 England Census
Name: William Randall
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: 1827
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenwich Kent England
Civil Parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 123
Piece: 645
Folio: 142
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
William Randall 44
Maria Randall 40
William Randall 11
Susan Randall 8
Minnie Randall 3

The son William's birth - note the name William Richard:

RANDALL, WILLIAM RICHARD PAUL mms ROWE
GRO Reference: 1859 S Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 01D Page 87

The son William in 1881 ??

Wm. Randell
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Wm. Randell
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1861
Relationship to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Southwark Christchurch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: Lodging House 86 Gravel Lane
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Boot Maker
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a
Neighbors:
Piece: 517
Folio: 64
Page Number: 32

Don't know if either of these is relevant:


Minnie Randell
in the London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1930
Name: Minnie Randell
Admission Age: 20
Record Type: Admission
Birth Date: abt 1871
Admission Date: 28 Aug 1891
Admission Place: Greenwich, Greenwich, London, England

Discharged later the same day - infirmary.



Minnie Randall
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Minnie Randall
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relationship to Head: Scholar
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark
Civil Parish: Herne
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: "South Metropolitan Schools Branch"
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Blean
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Piece: 963
Folio: 95
Page Number: 20

Trying to understand this... the birth certificate I have sent for is for Susan Emily Read 1897 4th quarter vol 4a pg 42 reg. West Ham.......
can you please explain Susan 1862 Bermondsey Surrey baptised Susan Emily Randale as to where she fits into this
the 1881 census Wm Randell matches the occupation of Bootmaker
thanks