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Yes, it will be worth buying the certificate to get to the bottom of this.

No proof yet that Arthur fathered Phyllis

And if the mother was the Bond woman, she was lucky her husband took her back

Also, Constance had her second husband already in her home on 1911 census

Arthur was describing himself as 'single', so we can't judge whose fault the break-up was. It certainly happened before Phyllis was born

The marriage cert may not necessarily answer your question - she may have lied about her father - IF she named one.

I may never know, thank you for all your help though, you have been brilliant, as usual.

It filled in a few blanks if nothing else.

To have given birth at the end of December, Charlotte would have had to be 'together' with Arthur (or someone) no later than the middle of April - does that seem likely with a 3-month old son to care for?
Just asking the question....................

I can see where you are going with this. I have just emailed the person who sprung this on me, will see what she knows, however I suspect it will be nothing.

However, it doesn't look as if she was actually caring for Timothy on 2 April 1911. He was with his grandparents:


Timothy Reardon
in the 1911 Wales Census
Name: Timothy Reardon
Age in 1911: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1908
Relation to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Pontlottyn, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Gelligaer
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: 6 King Street Pontlottyn Nr Cardiff
Marital status: Single
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Registration District Number: 590
Sub-registration district: Gelligaer
ED, institution, or vessel: 02
Household schedule number: 137
Piece: 32403
Household Members:
Name Age
Lewis Lewis 71
Ann Lewis 60
Elizabeth Bond 16 - daughter
Timothy Reardon 3
Thomas Connors 28



Posting for interest value, though it doesn't help with the search for Phyllis's birth;


ErikaH posted the 1911 census for Charlotte and Jeremiah Reardon.

They are listed as niece and husband.

Also in the household, but not transcribed on Ancestry, are :

Miles Lewis, head, 49, collier, Ebbw Vale;
Ann Lewis, wife, 51, Pontypool
Maud Lewis, daughter, 15, Pontlottyn

In 1901 they also have a daughter Amelia, who married a Jones, so the Jones children in 1911 are hers.


In 1891 Miles is with the Bond family:

Miles Lewis
in the 1891 Wales Census
Name: Miles Lewis
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Ebbw Vale, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Ystradyfodwg
Ecclesiastical parish: Pontypridd St Catherine
Town: Middle
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub registration district: Ystradyfodwg
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors:
Piece: 4422
Folio: 86
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Jacob Bond 41
Ann Bond 33
Jacob Bond 6
Charlotte Ann Bond 3 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mary Ann Bond 4/12
Margaret Lewis 62 - mother-in-law
Miles Lewis 29 - brother-in-law
Thomas Lewis 12 - brother-in-law
Margaret Ann Lewis 10 - sister-in-law

Thank you AG, it certainly is getting interesting.

The son to which I referred was Jacob aged 2 months in 1911. Posted on here at 13.31

Who suggested to you that the mother of Phyllis Martin was Charlotte Bond?

Does he - or she - have any evidence to support the theory?

The Grand daughter, she said she will ring me later.

Ive had the phone call, not a lot of help. I will have to investigate further.

I am told Charlotte Ann Bond and Jeremiah Reardon had 4 Children. Timothy 1908-1987. Jacob J 1911 to 1999. Phyliss Irene 1911 to 1992 Grace Myrtle 1920-2003

The only one I can see belonging to Reardon/Bond marriage is Grace Myrtle

She suggested that Phyliss Irene used the surname Reardon to cover up the Martin liason, but it needs further clarification which I will have to do tomorrow. Having said that I couldnt find a birth entry using the name Reardon so I doubt I will find a marriage entry or banns.

Have got to leave it for an hour or so, just wanted to let you know and say thank you for all your help again.

I posted some Reardon-Bond births on page 2 at 14.42

REARDON, TIMOTHY mms BOND
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL Volume 11A Page 791

I don't think that's posted already - apologies if I've missed it.

Deborah -
you said re Phyllis:

"I couldnt find a birth entry using the name Reardon so I doubt I will find a marriage entry or banns"

Erika posted Phyllis Martin's marriage to Thomas Kemp on page 1 at 13:36.

Sorry AG and ErikaH, I am mixing up Charlotte Ann Bond with Charlotte Ann Readon now. Apparently, Charlotte Ann Reardon called herself Pat. and Charlotte AKA Pat had a daughter Patricia, who married someone with the surname Price.

I got a bit confused with it all. Will PM you both.

No problem, Deborah - easily done!

Name: Charlotte A Reardon
Mother's Maiden Name: Bond
Registration Year: 1914
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 1544
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I just found this, the year of birth is 1914 and not 1911, but maybe the 1939 census entry was incorrect (maybe registered in the name of Reardon to cover up the Martin liason)

That was posted earlier. She is the one who married a Higginson and had a daughter Patricia.

Rose

Here's her death:

Name: Charlotte Anne Higginson
Event Type: Death Registration
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1987
Registration District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire
Event Place: Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969): 28 Nov 1914
Volume: 33

Page: 360


Rose