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Dear researchers

I wonder if you can help me at all. My grandmother on my mother's side was Sarah Elizabeth Davies who was born on 16/3/1878 in Bottom Locks Runcorn. I have her birth certiticate. Her parents were Thomas Henry Davies and Tryphena New. I have located a birth certificate for Tryphena New-born 21/1/1852 at Foxyards, Woodsetton, Sedgley, Staffordshire. Unfortunately I cannot trace a marriage between Tryphena and Thomas although I can trace birth certificates for all of their children and death certificates for both of them. Both Thomas and Tryphena's father Benjamin New are described as boatmen and they seem to be missing from various censuses-possibly due to being on boats at the time.Indeed the earliest census record I can find for Thomas is the 1891 census where he is described as living with Tryphena at Boat Stage, Lymm, Cheshire aged 38 with an estimated date of birth of 1853 in Brierley Hill, Staffordshire. I cannot trace any birth certificate or baptism for him from this info. Regrettably Davies is a very common name. As I cannot trace a marriage certificate either I do not seem to be able to find out who his parents were. Any help would be appreciated and if further info is required I may be able to provide it.

Kind regards

Howard Stubbings

As there were no penalties for not registering births until 1875, his may simply not have been registered.

could it be this on bearing in mind brothers name of solomon

Name: Thomas Davies
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: 1855
Relation: Son
Father's name: Joh Davies
Mother's name: Charlotte Davies
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Kingswinford
Ecclesiastical parish: Brierly Hill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Stourbridge
Sub-registration district: Kingswinford
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 56
Piece: 2072
Folio: 75
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
Joh Davies 44
Rosannah Davies 20
Charlotte Davies 43
Clara Davies 14
Solomon Davies 12
Thomas Davies 6
Alice Davies 4
Charles Davies 3
John Davies 1

thomas named one of his children solomon
just a thought

1881
Name: John Davis
Age: 67
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Relationship to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Bel Broughton, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Trentham
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: Hem Heath Canal Wharf
Marital status: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Boatman (Barge) -----
Registration district: Stone
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors:
Piece: 2696
Folio: 151
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
John Davis 67
Charles Davis 22



Name: John Davis
Gender: Male
Age: 21
Birth Date: 1816
Marriage Date: 6 Nov 1837
Marriage Place: Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Father: Samuel Davis
Spouse: Charlotte Naylor
FHL Film Number: 1040902
Reference ID: item 2

Thanks very much for your post Maddie.

It does seem to be a possibility-given that his brother was Solomon and his possible father John lived at Canal Wharf and was a boatman like Thomas.

Presumably no joy with any marriage between Thomas and Tryphena? By the way I have seen Tryphena spelt a hundred different ways.There is a nice headstone for both of them in Peel Green Cemetery, Lancashire.

Kind regards

Howard Stubbings

Not the marriage you're looking for, but here it is anyway, just in case.

Name: Benjn. New
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 22 Sep 1850
Marriage Place: Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Spouse: Sarah Underhill
FHL Film Number: 1040908

Thanks very much Catherine. Yes that was indeed the marriage of Tryphena's father and mother because they both appear on Tryphena's birth certificate.

Kind regards

Howard

Just posting for reference:-

1891
Name: Thomas Davies
Gender: Male
Age: 38
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1853
Spouse: Tryphena Davies
Child: Solomon Davies
Sarah E Davies
Charlotte Davies
Rose H Davies
Emma Davies
Thomas H Davies
William Davies
Florence Davies
Birth Place: Briley Hill, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Lymm St Marys
Residence Place: Lymm, St Mary, Cheshire, England
Registration district: Altrincham
Sub registration district: Lymm
ED, Institution or Vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2827
Folio: 85
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Davies 38 - Coal Dealer
Tryphena Davies 39 - Birth Place: Wombon, Staffordshire
Solomon Davies 16 - Birth Place: Runcorn, Cheshire
Sarah E Davies 14 - Birth Place: Runcorn, Cheshire
Charlotte Davies 11 - Birth Place: Lymm, Cheshire
Rose H Davies 9 - Birth Place: Runcorn, Cheshire
Emma Davies 7 - Birth Place: Runcorn, Cheshire
Thomas H Davies 5 - Birth Place: Lymm, Cheshire,
William Davies 3 - Birth Place: Lymm, Cheshire,
Florence Davies 8/12 - Birth Place: Lymm, Cheshire,
...................................

1901
Name: Thomas H Davies
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Tryphinaus Davies
Birth Place: Birerley Hill, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Eccles
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Ecclesiastical parish: Patricroft Christchurch
Town: Monton and Winton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Registration district: Barton upon Irwell
Sub-registration district: Barton
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3662
Folio: 14
Page Number: 20
Household schedule number: 110
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas H Davies 47
Tryphinaus Davies 48
Sarah E Davies 23
Charlotte Davies 20
Rose H Davies 18
Emma Davies 16
Thomas H Davies 14
William Davies 12
Florence Davies 10
Ethel Davies 7 - Birth Place: Winton, Lancashire
.................................................

1911
Name: Thomas Henry Davies
Age in 1911: 59
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Brusely Hill, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Eccles
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 35 Dudley St Patricroft Manchester
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Shopkeeper
Registration district: Barton upon Irwell
Registration District Number: 463
Sub-registration district: Barton
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Piece: 23608
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Henry Davies 59
Tryphenus Davies 59
Thomas H Davies 24
Charlotte Davies 30
Emma Davies 26
Florence Davies 20
Ethel Davies 17
William Davies 22
Lena Holmes 20

12 Children - 9 Living - 3 Died

Married - 38years (but it could be that they never actually married)

ngland and Wales Census, 1871
Name:
Tryfena New
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1871
Event Place:
Wombourn, Staffordshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Orton, Wombourn, Staffordshire, England
Sub-District:
Wombourn
Enumeration District:
4b
Gender:
Female
Age:
18
Marital Status:
Unknown
Occupation:
Boatwoman
Birth Year (Estimated):
1853
Birthplace:
Staffordshire
Relationship to Head of Household:
Sister
Relationship to Head of Household (Original):
Sister
Entry Number:
2
Affiliate Image Identifier:
GBC/1871/2929/0120
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Hannah New Head Female 20 Staffordshire
Tryfena New Sister Female 18 Staffordshire

Tryphena Davies
England and Wales Death Registration Index 1837-2007
Name:
Tryphena Davies
Event Type:
Death
Registration Quarter:
Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration Year:
1935
Registration District:
Barton Upon Irwell
County:
Lancashire
Event Place:
Barton Upon Irwell, Lancashire, England
Age:
83
Birth Year (Estimated):
1852
Volume:
8C
Page:
517
Affiliate Line Number:
126

Thomas Henry Davies
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
Name:
Thomas Henry Davies
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
Jul - Sep 1878
Event Place:
Dublin South, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year:
Jul - Sep 1878
Registration District:
Dublin South
Volume Number:
2

Marriage posted above would appear to be for a Thomas Henry Davies, a Farmer, to an Elizabeth Sarah Madden 20 Aug 1878

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11110/8066554.pdf

Marriage of THOMAS DAVIES and ELIZABETH MADDEN (Image Thomas Henry)
on 20 August 1878
Group Registration ID 2634239
SR District/Reg Area Dublin South

To Catherine, Malyon and Greyghost

Thanks for all your further work and posts but Thomas Davies definitely married Tryphena New-just can't find evidence of a marriage taking place. See what I mean about all the different spelling permutations of Tryphena in the various censuses.

Kind regards

Howard Stubbings

Dear researchers

As a supplementary question to my query yesterday about Thomas Davies and his wife Tryphena New-they were clearly both boatpeople. Tryphena's father Benjamin New appears on a census in 1861 for Lock House, Cheddington, Leighton Buzzard as a person not in a house on census day. He was presumably in a boat as there are 16 of them mentioned-several described as boat boys and boat girls. I seem to remember that many years ago I found him on other boats at the time of the census but I can't remember how I did this. He was born in Wombourne, Staffordshire described as Wombon on the census. Is there some way of finding out whether he and his family were on other boats at the time of other censuses?

Kind regards

Howard Stubbings

I'm unable to find a marriage for Tryphena's parents too.

Rose

For our reference:

Benjamin New
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Benjamin New
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Wanbon, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Cheddington
Ecclesiastical parish: Oxford
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Leighton Buzzard
Sub-registration district: Ivinghoe
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Piece: 1008
Folio: 66
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
John Deighton 53
Eliza Deighton 52
Charles Deighton 16
Elizabeth Healey 24
Henrietta Healey 2
Jephunah Healey 1

Edward Russell 58
Lucy Russell 62
Thomas Marson 64
Joseph Letts 14

John Flavout 55 - boat man captain
Benjamin New 55 - boat man
Isaac Blackburn 60 - boat man
Benjamin New 17 - boat boy
Anna New 8 - boat girl
Fanny New 7 - boat girl

NOTE:

Ancestry has transcribed three households together.

The Deightons and Healeys live at Lock House.

Then there are two boat "households".
The Russell/Marson/Letts seem to be on a different boat from the New/Blackburn/Flavout boat.

Rose -
Catherine posted Tryphena's parents' probable marriage -

Benjn. New
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Benjn. New
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 22 Sep 1850
Marriage Place: Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Spouse: Sarah Underhill
FHL Film Number: 1040908

It doesn't show up on FreeBMD, though.


I don't see births of Benjamin jr, Anna or Fanny - not with mms Underhill, and not in the years suggested by 1861 census.

Benjamin's wife Sarah in 1861;

Sarah New
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Sarah New
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: 1829
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Ounsdale, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Orton and Wombourne
Ecclesiastical parish: Wombourne
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wombourn
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 34
Piece: 1986
Folio: 64
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Wright 60 [ mistranscribed - different household. ]
Sarah New 32 - boatman's wife
Ann New 4
Julia New 2
David New 5/12


NEW, JULIA mms UNDERHILL
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 381

NEW, DAVID mms UNDERHILL
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 364

I don't see Ann's birth.

Thanks researchers for the extra info-especially about Sarah New who seemed to be living elsewhere in 1861 whilst her husband was on a boat!

Kind regards

Howard Stubbings

I don't suppose she wanted to be on a boat with a baby and two toddlers!

Daughter Julia in 1881:

Julia New
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Julia New
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Wombourne, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Kinver
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: Little Checkhill
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: General Domestic Serv
Registration district: Wolverhampton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 2790
Folio: 17
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Hawkins 37
Julia New 22


Death of son David ??

David New
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Death Age: 64
Birth Date: abt 1860
Registration Date: Jan 1924
[Feb 1924]
[Mar 1924]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Croydon
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 496