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Smith/Heslop Marriage Cert

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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jun 2020 10:28

The birth is TERESA, and is not in dispute

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Jun 2020 11:08

Just for clarification (or confusion ?) -

Joanie - you say Teresa was born 4/3/1938.

Her death record says 4/3/38 - and spells her name Tereasa.

(the transcription of her burial record calls her Teresa Huskinson, but the image has Teresa Huskison.)

On the image of the 1939 Register, it seems to have been written first as 2 Mar 1938 (the day is hard to see as it's partly obscured by blotting of ink from the opposite page) .

Then it's been amended to 16/8/1938.
FMP's transcription (already posted) of 1939 Register gives that revised date.

Ancestry's transcription says 3 Mar 1938 (and the 2 does look as if it could be a 3, because of the blotting).



Not that any of those dates helps to find her birth record!

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 9 Jun 2020 11:38

With Margaret being born 02/04/1937, an August would seem a little more feasible. Not that it helps.

Rose

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jun 2020 11:42

THIS is the birth

Births Jun 1938 (>99%)
Smith Teresa Smith Nelson 8e 228

Kay????

Kay???? Report 9 Jun 2020 12:00


If only the 1939 register is being relied on and no birth certificates have been got for any of the older children for proof of their named mother then Lilian Smith may not have been Lilian Heslop but a second wife.?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jun 2020 12:10

Joanie has Teresa's birth cert - AND James William's as per her posts

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Jun 2020 12:15

Joanie said (7 June, 17:23 ) -
".I sent for that cert the SMITH / Nelson one and it was wrong"

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jun 2020 12:24

Margaret's birth in 1937 was definitely MMN Hesslop - and Joanie clearly stated that Lilian died in the 1940's

I thought Joanie said at some stage that the MMN was wrongly recorded on Teresa's birth reg'n. Perhaps she deleted that snippet - or edited it. Or I need to go to Specsavers

This is her death - mentioned before, I know!

Deaths Mar 1975 (>99%)
Huskisson Tereasa 4Mr1938 Liverpool 36 510

IMAGE of 1939 is 100% MARCH for birth month

malyon

malyon Report 9 Jun 2020 12:25

Births Jun 1937 (>99%)
Smith Margaret E Hesslop Chorley 8e 458

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jun 2020 12:27

Already posted!

malyon

malyon Report 9 Jun 2020 12:47

Births Jun 1937 (>99%)
Heslop Teresa Tempest Haslingden 8e 134

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Jun 2020 12:53

That's a bit random, Malyon, I fear.

The parents of that child:

Marriages Dec 1925 (>99%)
Heslop William Tempest Haslingden 8e 237
Tempest Harriet J Heslop Haslingden 8e 237

They're together in 1939 , in Bacup, with daughters Catherine and Mary, and three closed records

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jun 2020 13:16

Hardly feasible to post a birth in a different district in exactly the same qtr as Margaret's

malyon

malyon Report 9 Jun 2020 13:18

Marriages Sep 1925 (>99%)
Smith William H Heslop Sunderland 10a 1252

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jun 2020 13:21

from the OPENING post

I did find a marriage : Elizabeth E Heslop Sept 1925 Sunderland 10a 1262 to a William H Smith, dates would fit, got the cert but not them.…

Joanie

Joanie Report 9 Jun 2020 22:56

Thank you Malyon will check that out. X

Joanie

Joanie Report 9 Jun 2020 23:08

The three certs I have got are : James first born this is correct....second was Teresa born Nelson this was not her...third was Marriage William H Smith and Elizabeth E Heslop this was not them....Teresa Smith married Gerard Huskisson.

When looking on the 1939 register William and Lilian have same birthday except year and Teresa’ s isn’t right according to her daughter. On James birth certificate it says Lilian made her mark X, maybe she wasn’t good with writing and numbers and gave wrong ones in ?

Joanie

Joanie Report 9 Jun 2020 23:15

Sorry I was not on earlier Folks but our old cat 16 was attacked by three Staffordshire terriers and we have been to vets and looking after her......she is as well as can be expected god bless her x

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Jun 2020 00:09

I hope your cat recovers well, Joanie.

You said that William and Lilian's DOB's were the same apart from year.
No, not quite.
William's is 26 July, and Lilian's is 24 July.

Years of birth are quite often wrong on the 1939 Register, but days and months tend to be more often correct.
However, it's possible as you suggest, that one or both of them weren't sure what their DOB was. Lilian was obviously illiterate.

Kay????

Kay???? Report 11 Jun 2020 00:24


Do you know exact year Lilian died. and where?