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Thank you It's the first time I've seen it without the people being born abroad

So that answers both queries

I think I've got all I need now to enter everything into my tree

Thank you

Re Studham - just Google it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studham

Strangely, William Stone, in spite of being born there (?), didn't know how to spell it in 1911.
[But 1901 says he was born in Alderbury, Herefordshire.]

I don't think "British subject by parentage" means anything official in this case.

William Stone filled in the form, and probably thought he was supposed to put something in that column, but didn't read the heading properly.

That answers that I looked for Stone?

Thank you

Thank I did see that last census with the 2 boys born 1870/71 big gap to next one? and Thomas Thorn ,Elizabeth has got a brother Thomas ?

Still not sure about the 1911 census not heard of Studham but it has Bedfordshire so why put British subject??

Born before the marriage

Name: Albert Stone Thorn
Registration Year: 1869
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Berkhamstead
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 393

STONE, JIM THORN
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in BERKHAMPSTEAD Volume 03A Page 435

Name: William Stone
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: 1850
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Gt Gaddesden Hertfordshire England
Civil Parish: Aldbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
Town: Aldbury
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Berkhampstead
Sub-registration district: Tring
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 20
Piece: 1390
Folio: 53
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stone 21
Elizabeth Stone 22
Albert Stone 1
James Stone 3/12
Thomas Thorn 20

STONE, THOMAS THORN
GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 347
STONE, WILLIAM THORN
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 343
STONE, ROSE THORN
GRO Reference: 1884 M Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 363

Thank you

Yes I have every thing on John and his family , Yes your right it isn't Rosina it's John and his children that are the connection

Name: William Stone
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1847
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Elizabeth Stone
Birth Place: Alderbury, Herefordshire, England
Civil Parish: North Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Manchester St Aidan
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Prestwich
Sub-registration district: Newton
ED, institution, or vessel: 39
Piece: 3763
Folio: 7
Page Number: 6
Household schedule number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stone 54
Elizabeth Stone 57
Rose Stone 17
William Stone 14
Thomas Stone 12


Name: William Stone
Gender: Male
Age: 19
Birth Date: abt 1850
Marriage Date: 10 Oct 1869
Marriage Place: Aldbury, Hertfordshire, England
Father: James Stone
Spouse: Elizabeth Thorn


Name: William Stone
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 25 Dec 1851
Baptism Place: Studham,Bedford,England **********note birthplace on 1911
Father: James Stone
Mother: Ann

IGNORE trees on Ancestry. Most of them are copied from other - equally incorrect - trees

Do your own research, or at least trust only that which is backed up by documentary evidence

The birth date for John in 1939 matches the registration of birth which I posted

John's occupation in 1911 and in 1939 matches that in 1901 when he is at home with his parents.- but I'm sure you've already seen that!

Name: John Hornby
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 9 Apr 1882
Baptism Place: St. Andrew, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Father: Forster Hornby
Mother: Martha
FHL Film Number: 2148073

The info about Rosina's birthplace etc is not vital - it's her husband who is connected to you

ErikaH

Sorry thought I'd explained I'll try

My John Hornby 1882 Manchester parents Foster Hornby and Martha Woodhouse they had several children
I found this marriage for John and Rosina Stone but as their are a few John Hornby's I wanted to check it was the right one but not being able to check the details of the marriage it was possibly a registry marriage.

So all the details for John & Rosina that you got were correct
When I saw another tree on ancestry with the same couple John & Rosina but with different parents it made me think I hadn't got the right family but looking at this other tree I think she has got a few things wrong

So I'm going with it's the right marriage and working from their
The births you got for the John & Rosina -Lillian John Thomas are what I've got plus 1939 register Doris

The births for Rosina and her brothers Thomas and William on 1911 census it had they were born in Bedford but I couldn't find them in Bedford I found the same names and Dof b in Manchester mothers maiden name Thorn ?so I took it that that was them??
And 1911 census it has British subjects through parentage ?? not sure what that mean

Hope you can understand a bit more on what I was after and thank you for all your input even if I lost it

Sylvia

Sorry, but you’ve completely lost me

and you haven’t answered my question about John Hornby’s MMN so I’ll leave you to it

Right I'm getting all confused John's 1882 parents are Foster and Martha
Rosina 's parents William and Elizabeth Thorn

the birth I looked up are Rosina and her brother mothers maiden name Thorn ? I came to this conclusion because the 3 children were their with the same mother in Manchester and I couldn't find them in Bedfordshire.

Just seen another tree with the same marriage for John And Rosina but John's father is John mother Catherine so this is why I need the marriage certificate

Sorry for confusing you

HORNBY, LILIAN STONE
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 420

HORNBY, JOHN STONE
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 738

Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Hornby Thomas Stone Chorlton 8c 1477

Elizabeth

The poster is trying to determine whether the GROOM is related to her

So, what was the MMN for 'your' Hornbys??????

You MUST know that - AND when John was born

Don't know exactly what you are looking for, but Rosina's parents were William & Elizabeth

Yes I do know all that but their are a few John Hornby's in Manchester so although I'm hoping it's my John I would just like to make sure,
Then I can go into it a bit more Like Rosins 1911 census the one I've got she is with her Dad Brothers And John but she is down as being born in Bedfordshire also her brothers yet the only births I can find are for
Manchester mother's maiden name Stone and it has British subjects by parentage??

So before I try and find out what that is about ? I do feel like saying sod it and carrying on with them!!
You are quick you've put 1911 census down Also Rosina was down as Rose on GRO index

First name(s) Rosina
Last name Hornby
Birth year 1884
Admission/Discharge year 1903-05
Admission year 1903
Admission day 19
Admission month Aug
Previous residence Openshaw
Place Manchester
Register book year 1862
Locality of record Manchester Withington Workhouse
Records title Creed Register
Date range 1862 - 1905
Film -
Record set Manchester Workhouse Registers 1800-1911
Category Institutions & organisations


1911

2 Orr Street Openshaw Manchester, South Manchester, Lancashire, England
William Stone Head Widower Male 64 1847 Labourer For Bricklayer Studem Bedford
Thomas Stone Son Single Male 23 1888 Machine Slotter Bedfordshire Bedford
William Stone Son Single Male 25 1886 Bricklayers Labourer Bedfordshire Bedford
John Hornby Son In Law Married Male 30 1881 Blacksmiths Stricker Gorton Manchester
Rosina Hornby Daughter Married Female 27 1884 - Bedfordshire Bedford
Lily Hornby Granddaughter - Female 2 1909 - Openshaw Manchester
John Hornby Grandson - Male 4 1907 - Openshaw Manchester