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Ron ...............
IGI used to be great, but as I understand it, IGI has not been updated for years.
All the information on it was extracted by Hugh (I think that was his name) from Family Search, the Mormon site.
It is better now to use Family Search itself, BUT keep only to the Collections not family trees which can be really "iffy". The Collections side contains records from all around the world.
You have to register, and sign in, but it is free.
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https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1383852
Free Ancestry access for V-E Day w/e
In view of above, I'm posting my incomplete notes
NB most US URLs here have image links
Marriages Jun 1862 (>99%)
Hanson Martha Ann Ashton 8d 770
Lilly Edward Smith Ashton 8d 770
Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%)
FERNS John Ashton 8d 782
SHEPLEY Pamelia Ashton 8d 782
Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Year Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
SHEPLEY Samuel LINDLEY Hannah 1860 Ashton under Lyne, St Michael Tameside CE4/14/177
LILLEY Edward Smith HANSON Martha Ann 1862 Ashton under Lyne Civil Marriage or Registrar Attended Tameside RM/21/115
SHEPLEY Pamelia FERNS John 1884 Newton in Mottram, St Mary Tameside CE33/1/375
LILLEY, ANNIE HANSON
GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE Volume 08D Page 469
1851 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGTS-PSM
1861 Census
Piece: RG9/2996 Place: Dunkinfield -Lancashire Enumeration District: 17
Civil Parish: Dukinfield Ecclesiastical Parish: St Johns
Folio: 39 Page: 12 Schedule: 60
Address: 1 Newtons Yard
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
SHIPLY Samuel Head M M 21 Opperative In A Cotton Mill Cheshire - Stalybridge
SHIPLY Hannah Wife M F 24 Lancashire - Ashton Under Lyne
SHIPLY Betty Dau - F 1 Cheshire - Stalybridge
SHIPLY Pamelia Dau - F 7m Cheshire - Stalybridge
SHIPLY Enoch Brothr W M 30 Opperative In A Cotton Mill Derbyshire - Belper
SHIPLY Tom Nephew - M 7 School Cheshire - Stalybridge
1871 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBFB-HF4
Piece/Folio: 4084 / 14 Page Number: 22
1871 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBF1-9LB
Piece/Folio: 4088 / 71 Page Number: 33
1881 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27P-55BJ
1891 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7MDX-7ZM
All US
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?fcs=region%3AUNITED_STATES&ec=region%3AUNITED_STATES
US BMDs
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?fcs=region%3AUNITED_STATES%2CrecordType%3AVITAL&ec=region%3AUNITED_STATES%2CrecordType%3AVITAL
US Censuses
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list/?fcs=region%3AUNITED_STATES%2CrecordType%3ACENSUS&ec=region%3AUNITED_STATES%2CrecordType%3ACENSUS
M 28/11/1892
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N448-F8M
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FHD7-W34
D 8/10/1900
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NW6Q-ZNL
m2 24/12/1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N445-V1L
D 17/5/1892 New Bedford, MA Uncle Enoch
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7KF-SQT
wm E Rose Sr 5/11/1902-31/10/1989 s/o Wm Rose & Jane Lilly
B https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FXNL-PFN
D https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KFRH-M9B
Son obit
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKLP-5V57
1900 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3QB-H14
Addy = 128 South 11th St
1910 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2J9-QPK
Addy = 110 Division St immig Wm 1892 Jane 1896
1920 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXYM-R8T
1930 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQL4-T81
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Thanks mgnv
i'd already registered with family search, without your helpas well as other helpers, i'd not have gotten this far, what I cannot follow at the moment , Pamelia was married to John Ferns in UK , according to what I found John died in 1911 unless she divorced him before going to US when she married William Rose she was still a married woman!!!
Thank you once again
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Ron ................
Going back centuries, marriages broke up back then, often very soon after the marriage, just as they do now.
However, people who did not have money could not get a divorce, it was extremely expensive, and there were few grounds.
Just saying "we're not getting along" was by no means sufficient.
So, people separated, sometimes moved to other places, sometimes stayed where they were, and often found new partners. Many formed common-law relationships, but told everyone that there were married, including census takers!
Others lied about their marital status, said they were widowed or bachelor/spinster.
There was no checking of the marital status by the priest or registrar, I'm not sure if there is now but there certainly was not when we married back in 1967.
So, not surprising that Pamelia got married if she found a new love in America, she'd never ever dream that someone in the future would be curious enough to look into her life!
She was just one of thousands, maybe millions over the centuries, who did that.
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Thanks for the info Sylvia
Pamelia left the UK with her son Samuel on 27th July 1892 on ss CATALONIA of Cunard Company arriving in Boston in August, she according to records married William Rose in November 1892 so was quite soon after her arrival William Rose was born in UK, but, havn't sourced when he went to USA yet that for another day.
mgnv gave me quite a lot of info, very interesting.
Thanks once again
Ron.
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In 1861 there are lots of William Roses born c1854, with parents William and Mary.
But I don't see the birth of any William Rose with mms Wright, 1847-61.
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William's second marriage has his mother as Mary JONES.
William Rose
Sex Male
Marital status Married
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Mother's last name Jones
Event Marriage
Year 1901
Event date 24 Dec 1901
Place , Bristol, Massachusetts, United States
Spouse's first name(s) Jane
Spouse's last name Lilley
Spouse's sex Female
Spouse's age 40
Spouse's birth year 1861
Spouse's father's first name(s) Edward S.
Spouse's father's last name -
Spouse's mother's first name(s) Martha
Spouse's mother's last name Hanson
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............ so he could have been registered at birth as Jones? An illegitimate child??
I did wonder whether Pamelia knew him before and went out to join him, or whether they met on the ship going out to the US..
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Tnks Sylvia
Food for thought, I was wondering if she met him on ship but didn't find him on passenger list that Pamelia sailed on.
Will keep on looking..
Brgds
Ron
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