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To recap............

.............. Joseph BlackMAN (1665) was baptised in WOLVERHAMPTON, father's name Joseph BlackMAN and no evidence has yet been provided to support the theory that he was the son of Joseph BlackHAM born 1635 in West Bromwich

On the same FHL Film

Name: Eunice Blackham
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 8 Nov 1640
Baptism Place: West Bromwich,Stafford,England
Father: Thomas Blackham
Mother: Ellonar
FHL Film Number: 873647

Ancestry links Thomas to this..................

Name: Thomas Blackham
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 23 Jul 1633
Marriage Place: All Saints,West Bromwich,Stafford,England
Spouse: Elnor Heath
FHL Film Number: 0873647 IT 5, 497347, 497348, 497349

Name: Sarah Blackams
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Sep 1642
Baptism Place: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Father: Thomas Blackams
Mother: Ellonar Blackams

Name: Robert Blackham
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1638
Baptism Place: West Bromwich,Stafford,England
Father: Thomas Blackham
Mother: Elonar
FHL Film Number: 873647

Posting for INFO only

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Name: Elnor Heathe
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 20 Mar 1613
Baptism Place: Ellastone,Stafford,England
Father: Roger Heathe
FHL Film Number: 0096885, 0096886

I simply cannot comprehend how you got back to this ................

Name: Joseph Blackham
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 15 Nov 1635
Baptism Place: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England
Father: Thomas Blackham
FHL Film Number: 873647

...................if you don't know who he married and the name(s) of child(ren)

Looking at the record of your Joseph's supposed parents Thomas and Eleanor, here on Ancestry, I think the tree owner has looked at the "Suggested Records" panel on the Ancestry page, and has assumed the suggestions are actually relevant to Thomas and Eleanor - whereas they are only suggestions, and many are clearly nothing to do with the same family.

So much of what has already been posted on here is unlikely - at best - that it's hard to determine what info is even possible, let alone factual.

There is a tree on Ancestry, as suspected, which has Thomas Joseph Blackham.

The baptism record they have attached to that is the one for Joseph Blackham, which you already thought was the baptism of your Joseph.

There's no suggestion on the record that his name was Thomas Joseph.

There is no record of the baptism of a Thomas Joseph Blackham.

The tree owner claims that "Thomas Joseph" and Abigail had two daughters:

Rachel, born 1659 (died 1662, apparently) in Berwick, Sussex - parents Thomas and Abigail - but the surname on the attached record is Blackman, not Blackham. I admit, that may be a mistranscription of the original parish record, or how the clerk though it was spelled.

Elizabeth 1664, born West Brom - but the baptism record attached says the baptism took place in Berwick ,Sussex, parents Thomas & Abigail..

The tree says Abigail died 1674 in Berwick, Sussex.
But no record to back it up, and I can't find any such record.

Have you found actual records to prove this?

Ancestry Hints are only suggestions about people who seem similar to the ones in your tree. They are not necessarily the same people, or even accurate.

Crucially, they include "info" from other people's trees, which, as said earlier in this thread, isn't always correct.

I don't see any record of a marriage of a Thomas (or Joseph) Blackham marrying an Abigail, on Ancestry or on FS.

For that matter, I don't see the baptism of a Thomas Joseph Blackham in 1635 either.

There's the 1635 baptism for the Joseph Blackham you originally thought was your man, and there's a 1634 baptism of a Thomas Blackham, in West Brom., and also one in 1633.
But no Thomas Joseph.

I think I have found my Joseph Blackham born 1634 in Staffordshire to Thomas Blackham & Elinor Heath.
He was actually born Thomas Joseph Blackham born 1635 WB Staffordshire he married a Abigail ? in 1654 in Sussex.
I came across this information whilst looking thru all of my Blackham Hints on Ancestry

Ellen

Please go back to the thread where you added your email and remove it. You’re leaving yourself open to potential scammers etc, and also contravening site guidelines

Anyone who wishes to make contact with you can easily do so through this site

We know that, Ellen, but the info isn’t on Ancestry, FMP or familysearch

Your only possible way of finding anything is at the relevant Records Office

As far as I can deduce from your posts, you are guessing that the man born 1635 was the father of the one born 1665. There doesn’t appear at the moment to be any absolute proof of this

Sorry to say no he is not the Joseph I am looking for I have his father as Richard but no mother either
I am looking for a marriage of Joseph Blackham born 1635 Bapt 15/11/1635 son of Thomas Blackham & Elinor Heath Thanks

So the 1716 death isn't EITHER of 'your' Josephs

IF this is josephs brother shows mother name

Robert
Last name Blackham
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1638
Baptism date 18 Nov 1638
Place West Bromwich
County Staffordshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Blackham
Mother's first name(s) Elonar ----------------

other siblings

Eunice
Last name Blackham
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1640
Baptism date 08 Nov 1640
Place West Bromwich
County Staffordshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Blackham
Mother's first name(s) Ellonar

Sarah
Last name Blackham
Gender Female
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1642
Baptism date 25 Sep 1642
Place West Bromwich
County Staffordshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Blackham
Mother's first name(s) Ellonar

Thomas
Last name Blackham
Name note -
Marriage year 1633
Marriage date 23 Jul 1633
Marriage place West Bromwich
Spouse's first name(s) Elnor
Spouse's last name Heath
County Staffordshire
Country England

Yes Maddie is correct Joseph Blackham born 1713 died 1716 was the son of Richard Blackham 1686 I do not know who his mother was

the info came from a submitted tree on family search

Joseph Blackham II
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Sex
Male

Birth
1665
West Bromwich, Staffordshire, England

Death
1716
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Sources
1
s1
Burial
28 April 1716
St. Peter, Wolverhampton, Stafford, England
Sources
1
s1

PARENTS
Father
Joseph Blackham

MARRIAGES (1)
Spouse
Alice Hipkiss

Marriage
21 August 1692
West Bromwich, Staffordshire, , England
Sources
1
s2

SOURCES (3)
Ancestry.com, England, Select Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991 (Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014). Ancestry.com :
Ancestry.com, England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 (Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014). Ancestry.com :
Ancestry.com, England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 (Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2014). Ancestry.com :
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I think you'll find it's guesswork by someone who has a so-called 'tree' on Ancestry.

They don't even have the right wife for the man born 1665

Maddie's info CLEARLY shows the FATHER of the one born 1713 and died 1716 as RICHARD

Also, the birth and burial were in WOLVERHAMPTON - NOT West Bromwich

That's why I asked that you read it carefully.

I did my tree years ago I am sorry to say I do not remember where I got this information from, possibly Family Search ? I have emailed a person who has Joseph born 1665 & died 1716 ( as my message above ) to ask where he got this information from will let you know if he returns my message Cheers Ellen

Ellen

Please READ CAREFULLY the info posted by Maddie at 10.46 yesterday.

Her info appears to be taken from online RECORDS - not from someone’s (probably inaccurate) tree

Ellen -

unfortunately, these "records" you are posting are just from other people's trees, and not necessarily correct.
Many people just copy from each others trees without checking independently.

Joseph Blackham II
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