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Thanks ArgyllGran and others for your help!! It all makes sense now.

Had a bit of a tiring week hence me getting slightly confused with this one...apologies.

Many, many thanks!

Ann Winfield , who remarried, was Sarah Winfield's mother .

The 1942 death in Hackney was that of Mary Ann Cole (not Ann) - formerly Reynolds, nee Ross.

You say,
"1851 - 1891 William is listed with Mary Ann along with various children. "

No.

1871 - 91 he's with Mary Ann and children.
1861 he's just living (with children William, Sarah, and Robert) next door to Mary Ann, her parents, and young Eliza.

In 1851 Mary Ann is unmarried, and living with her parents.
In 1851 William is with Sarah, and children Sarah Ann and Richard William.

The other 1851 census previously posted (showing a William Cole with a Mary Ann and child William) is NOT the same William. That was William Reeve Cole, a fishmonger.
See Catherine's post on 15th March at 18:13, and Erika's on 15th March at 21:04



I don't know what happened to young Robert after 1861. I don't see him in later censuses, nor an obvious death.


Don't know what happened to James George Reynolds.

If you read the marriage record, you will see the father’s name. Does this fit?

From the info given above, I think this is what I am being told...….??

William Cole has 3 children by Sarah (Ann) Winfield - Sarah 1847, William, 1849 & Robert 1852. Children born in Bethnal Green, London.

Marriage yet unknown between William Cole & Sarah Winfield.

Unsure if/when Sarah died after 1852. Or if she remarries??

Mary Ann Ross (Dau. of George Ross and Mary Ann Coomber) b1842, marries James George Reynolds in 1860. They have daughter Eliza Reynolds born a few months later in 1860!! (Shotgun wedding was mentioned !).

At some point, William Cole & Mary Ann Reynolds have several children together -
Phoebe 1864, James 1865, Edward 1868, Rosina 1870, Mary Ann 1873, Richard 1876, Margaret 1878 & Ellen 1884.

I think Mary Ann & James George Reynolds were probably still married hence no record of marriage of William Cole & Mary Ann Reynolds.

Don't know what happened to Mary's husband - James George Reynolds?

William Cole dies somewhere between 1891 & 1901. Mary Ann Cole living with married daughter Ellen Cole (Now HOLT).

Possible death for William Cole 1894, Hackney, 65 years
Possible death for Ann Cole, 1942, Hackney, 98 years

1851 - 1891 William is listed with Mary Ann along with various children.



Argyll Gran, I am a bit confused by your last post saying Ann Winfield remarried.
Where does Ann Winfield fit into this??

Do you mean Sarah Ann Winfield ?

Thanks all for the info - such a lot to go through....!!

For info - William is a younger brother to my 3x Great Grandmother b1820 Bethnal Green - she married John Thomas Hesse b1817 in Bishopsgate, London.

I am trying to fill in the family tree of as many siblings I can in each generation/branch of the family. William Cole is the current relative of interest at the moment!

Looks like a whole can of worms for just this one person...….

Will take a look at your finding over the next few days or so (fitting around work etc.), digest it and work out who is who or not!

Thanks again for the amazing time and amount of help.

Fascinating!
Ann remarried in 1879:

Ann Winfield
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Ann Winfield (widow)
[Ann Kean]
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 68
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1811
Marriage Date: 6 Dec 1879
Marriage Place: St Leonard, Shoreditch, Hackney, England
Father: Robert Kean
Spouse: Henry Thomas Pym
Register Type: Parish Register

Below the entry it says, "Every means which could be lawfully used was had recourse to in the endeavour to stop this marriage."

I wonder why?!


Ann died 1885:

Ann Pym
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name: Ann Pym
Death Date: 28 Mar 1885
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Probate Date: 8 May 1885
Probate Registry: Principal Registry

The Will was proved by Henry Thomas Pym. . . . porter, and William Winfield of 8 Clarence Terrace, Queens Road, Dalston, journeyman engineer, the Executors. "Probate being granted under certain Limitations."

That's her son William, who is an engine fitter in 1891, and a steam engine fitter (railway) in 1901.
(Not posting those censuses, as veering too far away from the topic of William Cole's wives.)

By 1871 Ann and William are in Bethnal Green, at 30 Peter Street South (still in Shoreditch in 1861):

Ann Winfield
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Ann Winfield
Age: 52
Estimated birth year: 1819
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 194
Piece: 493
Folio: 115
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
William Winfield 70
Ann Winfield 52

There are several Sarah Winfields.

I'm wondering about this one, as 1851 says she was born in Shoreditch - though of course that may not be accurate:

Sarah Winfield
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Sarah Winfield
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Gender: Female
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 56 Margaret Street
Occupation:
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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston East
Neighbors:
Piece: 704
Book: 4
Folio: 39
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
William Winfield 40
Ann Winfield 30
Sarah Winfield 9
Susan Winfield 2
William Winfield 6


She's not with her parents and siblings in 1851:

William Wanfield
in the 1851 England Census
Name: William Wanfield
Age: 49
Estimated birth year: abt 1802
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann Wanfield
Gender: Male
Where born: Marleybone, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerstone East
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: - 56 Margaret Street
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerstone East
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 146
Piece: 1538
Folio: 210
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
William Wanfield 49
Ann Wanfield 44
William Wanfield 15
John Wanfield 7
Susan Wanfield 11

Just wondering whether this might be Sarah in 1841 - NOT born in County

Name: Sarah Winfield
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: St George The Martyr
Hundred: Southwark
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: St George Southwark
Sub-registration district: Borough Road
Piece: 1084
Book: 4
Folio: 33
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Martha Winfield 30
Sarah Winfield 9
Eliza Winfield 4 Mo
Louisa Day 35

Remarkable 'detective' work, AG - hats off to you!

Hope Marcus returns at some stage...................

Re the daughter Sarah Ann in the 1851 census -

here's her marriage:

Sarah Ann Cole
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Sarah Ann Cole
Gender: Female
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 10 Jun 1867
Marriage Place: St James the Great, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: William Cole, shoemaker <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: John Vinn
Register Type: Parish Register

One of the witnesses is James Forecast, who, in 1861, lived at 8 Cambridge Street - presumably another flat in the same building as the Ross/Reynolds household, and next door to the Cole family.


So William's first wife was apparently Sarah Winfield - though I don't see a marriage for them.

I've been looking again at the 1851 census I posted yesterday at 20:41.

It shows a William Cole (but a lamplighter) in Bethnal Green with wife Sarah and children Sarah Ann and Richard William. I also posted the birth of a son Robert in 1852.

I think that's the right family, in spite of the fact that the father's a lamplighter and not a shoemaker..

Richard William's daughter Rosina Mary married in 1911:

Rosina Mary Cole
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Rosina Mary Cole
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1890
Marriage Date: 6 Apr 1911
Marriage Place: St John, Hackney, Hackney, England
Father: Richard William Cole
Spouse: Walter George Fry
Register Type: Parish Register

Richard is a boot finisher, and Rosina's address is 13 Isabella Road, Homerton, St John-at-Hackney.

Same area as Mary Ann is in 1911 with daughter Ellen.
There's also the similarities of the name Rosina, and Richard's occupation .

Here's Rosina with her parents in 1891:

William Cole
in the 1891 England Census
Name: William Cole
Gender: Male
Age: 41
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1850
Spouse: Mary Cole
Child: William Cole
James Cole
Edward Cole
John Cole
Rosina Cole
Birth Place: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine
Residence Place: South Hackney Ward, Hackney, London, England
Registration district: Hackney
Sub registration district: South Hackney
ED, Institution or Vessel: 13
Neighbors:
Piece: 206
Folio: 111
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cole 41
Mary Cole 37
William Cole 14
James Cole 13
Edward Cole 8
John Cole 2
Rosina Cole 1
Turpin 24 - lodger
Henry Smith 50 - lodger


Note the children's names - many similarities with Richard William's siblings.
Also, they're at 31 Homer Road.

William and Mary Ann are at 27 Homer Road with the rest of the siblings.
1891 census for them already posted.


Rosina with parents and siblings in 1901, still at 31 Homer Road:

Rose Cole
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Rose Cole
Age: 11
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Richard Cole
Mother: Mary Cole
Birth Place: Hackney, London, England
Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine South Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 31 Homer Road
Occupation:
Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-East Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors:
Piece: 233
Folio: 32
Page Number: 56
Household schedule number: 361
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Cole 52
Mary Cole 48
William Cole 25
James Cole 22
Edward Cole 18
John Cole 13
Rose Cole 11

William and Mary Ann are no longer at No. 27.
William's possibly deceased, and I think this may be Mary Ann:

Mary Ann Cole
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Cole
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bethnal Green, London, England
Civil Parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: St James, Clerkenwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Piece: 249
Folio: 142
Page Number: 45
Household schedule number: 275
Household Members:
Name Age
John R Clarke 29
Elizabeth Clarke 29
Walter Osborne 27
Dorcas Jessop 19
Joseph Hannam 21
Kate E Osborn 30
Emily Bryant 26
Clarke 5days
Mary Ann Cole 57 - widow, nurse (sick)





Rosina in 1911:

Rosina Mary Cole
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Rosina Mary Cole
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: St John-at-Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 13 Isabella Road, Hackney, Homerton N E
Marital status: Single
Occupation: Tin Box Maker
Registration district: Hackney
Registration District Number: 11
Sub-registration district: Central Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 1083
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Edward Petherick 41
Flora Adelaide Petherick 40
Albert Eward Petherick 16
Cecil Petherick 12
Flora Adelaide Petherick 10
Winifred Maud Petherick 6
Harold Stanley Petherick 3
Rosina Mary Cole 21

Possible death of Mary Ann:

Deaths Mar 1942 (>99%)
Cole Mary A 98 Hackney 1b 525

Sarah, William, and Robert were William's children from a first marriage, and Eliza was Mary Ann's daughter from a first marriage. Then all the rest were William & Mary Ann's children.:

Here is Mary Ann.


Mary A Ross
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Mary A Ross
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1844
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: George Ross
Mother's name: Mary Ross
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerstone West
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerstone West
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 146
Piece: 1537
Folio: 549
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
George Ross 36 - shoemaker
Mary Ross 26
Mary A Ross 7
Margrate Ross 4
George Ross 1

ROSS, MARGARET ANN mms COMBER
GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 02 Page 61

ROSS, MARY ANN ELIZABETH mms COMBER
GRO Reference: 1843 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 02 Page 14

ROSS, GEORGE AUGUSTUS mms COMBER
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 02 Page 87

Parents' marriage:

Marriages Jun 1842 (>99%)
COMBER Mary Hackney 3 100
ROSS George Augustus Hackney 3 100



Mary Ann Ross
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Mary Ann Ross
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1842
Marriage Date: 5 Jan 1860
Marriage Place: St Jude, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: George Augustus Ross
Spouse: James George Reynolds
Register Type: Parish Register


Mary A Reynolds
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Mary A Reynolds
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: 1841
Relation: Daughter-in-law
Spouse's name: George Reynolds
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green St Matthew
Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Less
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 14
Piece: 254
Folio: 59
Page Number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
George Reynolds 51
George Reynolds 22 - silk weaver
Mary A Reynolds 20
Eliza Reynolds 6/12 - Bethnal Green



REYNOLDS, ELIZA MARY mms ROSS
GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 243


Eliza Mary Reynolds
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Eliza Mary Reynolds
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 7 Jun 1860
Baptism Date: 1 Jul 1860
Baptism Place: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Father: George Reynolds
Mother: Mary Ann
FHL Film Number: 1937044


However, although Mary Ann's age differs from 1861 census above, it looks as if she's on the 1861 census twice - above with her husband, and here back with her parents:

Mary Reynolds
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Mary Reynolds
[Mary Ross]
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: 1844
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: George Ross
Mother's name: Mary Ross
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 8 Cambridge Street
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 362
Piece: 260
Folio: 104
Page Number: 62
Household Members:
Name Age
George Ross 46
Mary Ross 36
Eliza Ross 5
Sarah Ross 3
Susan Ross 1
Mary Reynolds 17
Eliza Reynolds 10/12 - Bethnal Green


Next door, at 9 Cambridge Street, are James and Ann Cole, and also William Cole, shoemaker, with children William, Sarah and Robert. (1861 for them already posted.)


Presumably Mary Ann and William never married, if she was still married to James George Reynolds.

Her marriage to James looks likely to have been a shotgun marriage. Mary Ann was only 16, and Eliza was born 5 months after the marriage.
Possibly neither she nor James really wanted to be married to each other.

not finding a death for mary ann cole after 1911

Yes, you're right, Malyon.

Don't know now what I was looking at!
The 1891 image does say age 48, and the transcription's correct.

And the death's the wrong one.


In fact, here is Mary Ann in 1911, with married daughter Ellen.

Mary Ann Cole
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Mary Ann Cole
Age in 1911: 68
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation to Head: Mother In Law
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: St John-at-Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 4 Gainsborough Square
Marital status: Widowed
Registration district: Hackney
Registration District Number: 11
Sub-registration district: South East Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Piece: 1157
Household Members:
Name Age
William Holt 31
Ellen Holt 27
Ellen Martha Holt 7
William Holt 4
Mary Ann Cole 68 - widow, Bethnal Green

that death for may ann in 1895 aged 43 she would have been born in 1852

Death of Mary Ann nee Ross:

COLE, MARY ANN 43
GRO Reference: 1895 S Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 343

She's 38 in 1891 per image (though Ancestry's transcription wrongly says 48).

(EDIT: No, the age 48 is on the image - I must have been looking at the wrong person. Senior moment.)


And probably William's death:

COLE, WILLIAM 65
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 393

Back to the beginning...................

Name: James Cole
Gender: Male
Record Type: Banns (Bann)
Marriage Banns Date: 15 Apr 1816
Marriage Banns Place: St John, Hackney, Hackney, England
Spouse: Ann Allen


Name: William Richard Cole
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 18 May 1828 Born 28 April
Baptism Place: Bethnal Green St Matthew, Tower Hamlets, England
Father: James Cole Occ: Weaver
Mother: Ann Cole

1851

Name: James Cole Occ Silk Weaver
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1798
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann Cole
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: Haggerstone East
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerstone East
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Piece: 1538
Folio: 194
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
James Cole 53
Ann Cole 55
John Cole 20
George Cole 18


1841

Name: James Cole
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Hundred: Ossulstone (Tower Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston East
Piece: 704
Book: 4
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
James Cole 45
Ann Cole 45
James Cole 15
Wm Cole 10
John Cole 8
George Cole 7
Eliza Cole 20
Elizh Cole 15

No, Malyon, it can't be.

The children with mms Ross were born both before and after 1867.