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Marcus
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15 Mar 2020 11:24 |
I am having difficulty finding the marriage of William Richard Cole to MaryAnn????
William Cole b1828 Bethnal Green, son of James Cole & Ann Allen.
On 1851, 1871 & 1881 Census, William is married to Mary Ann (Marianne in 1851).
They have several children - Sarah 1848, William 1850, Eliza 1860, Emily 1863, (Phoebe 1864?), James 1865, Edward 1868, Rosina 1870, Mary Ann 1873, Richard 1876, Margaret 1878, Ellen 1884.
Phoebe through to Ellen I have found with Mothers maiden name of Ross, all born in Hackney area of London. I cannot find Sarah to Emily.
Also cannot find any marriage of William Cole to Mary Ann / Marianne or to anyone with the surname of Ross.
Can any please help me with this one??
Thanks....
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ArgyllGran
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15 Mar 2020 11:35 |
for our reference:
William Cole in the 1871 England Census Name: William Cole Age: 45 Estimated birth year: 1826 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Middlesex England Civil Parish: Hackney St John Ecclesiastical parish: Homerton St Barnabas Town: Hackney County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Hackney Sub-registration district: West Hackney ED, institution, or vessel: 32 Household schedule number: 225 Piece: 326 Folio: 134 Page Number: 37 Household Members: Name Age William Cole 45 Marryan Cole 48 William Cole 21 Eliza Cole 11 Emily Cole 8 James Cole 6 Edward Cole 3 Rosina Cole 13/12
COLE, ROSINA ROSS mms ROSS GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 419
COLE, JAMES ROSS mms ROSS GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 411
COLE, EDWARD ROSS mms ROSS GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 445
COLE, EMILY ROSS mms ROSS GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 433
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ErikaH
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15 Mar 2020 11:43 |
Where have you looked?
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Marcus
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15 Mar 2020 11:49 |
ArgyllGran, that's them!
ErikaH, I have looked on FreeBMD, Ancestry & Gro.gov websites.
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Maddie
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15 Mar 2020 12:05 |
Name: Rosina Ross Cole Registration Year: 1870 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Hackney Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District Inferred County: London Volume: 1b Page: 419
???? EMILY ROSS Last name COLE Birth year 1865 Birth quarter 1 Registration month - Mother's maiden name Ross District Hackney County London Country England Volume 1B Page 433
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ArgyllGran
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15 Mar 2020 12:07 |
I can't see the births of William junior or Eliza, with mms Ross.
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Marcus
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15 Mar 2020 12:14 |
This is my problem too. Sarah, William, Eliza and Emily - I cannot find them with MMN Ross either!
Don't know what's going on here??
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ArgyllGran
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15 Mar 2020 12:17 |
I've posted Emily's birth above - mms Ross.
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Marcus
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15 Mar 2020 12:23 |
Mea Culpa, so you did - sorry! Thankyou for that.
Still cannot find the others or the marriage.....
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MargaretM
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15 Mar 2020 13:46 |
Rosina and Emily were baptized same day, 19 June 1870. No birth dates given. Parents were William & Mary Ann, 1 Margaret St. William a shoemaker.
All Results Rosina Cole
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 View London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Rosina Cole Gender: Female Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 19 Jun 1870 Baptism Place: Homerton St Barnabas, Hackney, England Father: William Cole Mother: Mary Ann Cole Register Type: Parish Registers
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MargaretM
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15 Mar 2020 13:58 |
This one is also 1 Margaret St. with father a shoemaker:
James Ross Cole
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 View London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: James Ross Cole Gender: Male Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 23 Sep 1866 Baptism Place: Homerton St Barnabas, Hackney, England Father: William Cole Mother: Mary Ann Cole Register Type: Parish Registers
Born 3 Sep.
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MargaretM
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15 Mar 2020 14:02 |
Another one at 1 Margaret St., father listed as boot maker here. No birth date.
Edward Ross Cole
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917 View London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Edward Ross Cole Gender: Male Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 27 Sep 1868 Baptism Place: Homerton St Barnabas, Hackney, England Father: William Cole Mother: Mary Ann Cole Register Type: Parish Registers
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greyghost
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15 Mar 2020 16:20 |
Surely all the children you've named can't have the same Mother - there's a 36 year span !!
COLE, RICHARD ROSS ROSS GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 593
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ErikaH
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15 Mar 2020 16:29 |
COLE, MARGARET ROSS ROSS GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 576
COLE, ELLEN ROSS ROSS GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 589
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ErikaH
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15 Mar 2020 16:30 |
As all of the births posted show second forename of Ross, it would seem feasible to suggest that the parents didn't actually marry
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ErikaH
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15 Mar 2020 16:38 |
There is a TEN YEAR gap between William and Eliza - doesn't make sense if there was only one wife
Where is the 'first' family in 1851 and 1861?
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ErikaH
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15 Mar 2020 16:46 |
If the age for the wife is accurate, she couldn't have been having children in 1848
1881
27, Homer Road, Hackney, London & Middlesex, England William Cole Head Married Male 54 1827 Shoemaker Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Marian Cole Wife Married Female 37 1844 Confectioner Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Eliza Cole Daughter Single Female 20 1861 Confectioner Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England Emily Cole Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Confectioner Hackney, Middlesex, England James Cole Son Single Male 14 1867 Cutter Boot Trade Hackney, Middlesex, England Edward Cole Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England Marian Cole Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England Richard Cole Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England Margaret Cole Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Hackney, Middlesex, England
COLE, RICHARD ROSS ROSS GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 593
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Catherine
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15 Mar 2020 17:31 |
There's no mention of a child 'Robert' but I was wondering if this could William with children William and Sarah in 1861
Name: William Cole Age: 32 Estimated birth year: 1829 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Bethnal Green Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 9 Cambridge Street Occupation: Shoemaker Condition as to marriage: Married Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Church ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 364 Piece: 260 Folio: 104 Page Number: 62 Household Members: Name Age William Cole 32 William Cole 11 Sarah Cole 13 Robert Cole 8
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Marcus
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15 Mar 2020 17:36 |
1851 Census -
County/Island Middlesex Country England Registration district Shoreditch Sub-registration district Haggerstone West ED, institution, or vessel 10 Household schedule number 105 Piece 1537 Folio 191 Page number 13 Household Members 236841 Household Members Name William Cole Age 20 Name Mary Ann Cole Age 18 Name William Cole Age 1 Mo
1861 Census -
Civil parish Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish St Jude County/Island Middlesex Country England Registration district Bethnal Green Sub-registration district Church ED, institution, or vessel 18 Household schedule number 364 Piece 260 Folio 104 Page number 62 Household Members 5685900 Household Members
Name William Cole Age 32 (NO WIFE MENTIONED !!) Name William Cole Age 11 Name Sarah Cole Age 13 Name Robert Cole Age 8
1871 Census see earlier post by ArgyllGran.
The 10 year gap mentioned by ErikaH does seem odd with only the one wife.
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Marcus
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15 Mar 2020 17:39 |
In both 1851 & 1861, all children are described as Son / Daughter but I guess this isn't strictly accurate at times?
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