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Wife of Wiliam Richard Cole?

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Marcus

Marcus Report 15 Mar 2020 11:24

I am having difficulty finding the marriage of William Richard Cole to MaryAnn????

William Cole b1828 Bethnal Green, son of James Cole & Ann Allen.

On 1851, 1871 & 1881 Census, William is married to Mary Ann (Marianne in 1851).

They have several children -
Sarah 1848,
William 1850,
Eliza 1860,
Emily 1863,
(Phoebe 1864?),
James 1865,
Edward 1868,
Rosina 1870,
Mary Ann 1873,
Richard 1876,
Margaret 1878,
Ellen 1884.

Phoebe through to Ellen I have found with Mothers maiden name of Ross, all born in Hackney area of London.
I cannot find Sarah to Emily.

Also cannot find any marriage of William Cole to Mary Ann / Marianne or to anyone with the surname of Ross.

Can any please help me with this one??

Thanks....

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Mar 2020 11:35

for our reference:

William Cole
in the 1871 England Census
Name: William Cole
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: 1826
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex England
Civil Parish: Hackney St John
Ecclesiastical parish: Homerton St Barnabas
Town: Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Household schedule number: 225
Piece: 326
Folio: 134
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cole 45
Marryan Cole 48
William Cole 21
Eliza Cole 11
Emily Cole 8
James Cole 6
Edward Cole 3
Rosina Cole 13/12


COLE, ROSINA ROSS mms ROSS
GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 419

COLE, JAMES ROSS mms ROSS
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 411


COLE, EDWARD ROSS mms ROSS
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 445


COLE, EMILY ROSS mms ROSS
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 433

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 11:43

Where have you looked?

Marcus

Marcus Report 15 Mar 2020 11:49

ArgyllGran, that's them!

ErikaH, I have looked on FreeBMD, Ancestry & Gro.gov websites.

Maddie

Maddie Report 15 Mar 2020 12:05

Name: Rosina Ross Cole
Registration Year: 1870
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Hackney
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 419

????
EMILY ROSS
Last name COLE
Birth year 1865
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Ross
District Hackney
County London
Country England
Volume 1B
Page 433



ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Mar 2020 12:07

I can't see the births of William junior or Eliza, with mms Ross.

Marcus

Marcus Report 15 Mar 2020 12:14

This is my problem too.
Sarah, William, Eliza and Emily - I cannot find them with MMN Ross either!

Don't know what's going on here??

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 15 Mar 2020 12:17

I've posted Emily's birth above - mms Ross.

Marcus

Marcus Report 15 Mar 2020 12:23

Mea Culpa, so you did - sorry! Thankyou for that.

Still cannot find the others or the marriage.....

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 15 Mar 2020 13:46

Rosina and Emily were baptized same day, 19 June 1870. No birth dates given. Parents were William & Mary Ann, 1 Margaret St. William a shoemaker.


All Results
Rosina Cole

in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
View London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917

Name: Rosina Cole
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 19 Jun 1870
Baptism Place: Homerton St Barnabas, Hackney, England
Father: William Cole
Mother: Mary Ann Cole
Register Type: Parish Registers

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 15 Mar 2020 13:58

This one is also 1 Margaret St. with father a shoemaker:

James Ross Cole

in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
View London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917

Name: James Ross Cole
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 23 Sep 1866
Baptism Place: Homerton St Barnabas, Hackney, England
Father: William Cole
Mother: Mary Ann Cole
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born 3 Sep.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 15 Mar 2020 14:02

Another one at 1 Margaret St., father listed as boot maker here. No birth date.

Edward Ross Cole

in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
View London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917

Name: Edward Ross Cole
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 Sep 1868
Baptism Place: Homerton St Barnabas, Hackney, England
Father: William Cole
Mother: Mary Ann Cole
Register Type: Parish Registers

greyghost

greyghost Report 15 Mar 2020 16:20

Surely all the children you've named can't have the same Mother - there's a 36 year span !!

COLE, RICHARD ROSS ROSS
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 593

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 16:29

COLE, MARGARET ROSS ROSS
GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 576

COLE, ELLEN ROSS ROSS
GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 589

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 16:30

As all of the births posted show second forename of Ross, it would seem feasible to suggest that the parents didn't actually marry

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 16:38

There is a TEN YEAR gap between William and Eliza - doesn't make sense if there was only one wife

Where is the 'first' family in 1851 and 1861?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 15 Mar 2020 16:46

If the age for the wife is accurate, she couldn't have been having children in 1848

1881

27, Homer Road, Hackney, London & Middlesex, England
William Cole Head Married Male 54 1827 Shoemaker Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Marian Cole Wife Married Female 37 1844 Confectioner Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Eliza Cole Daughter Single Female 20 1861 Confectioner Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Emily Cole Daughter Single Female 16 1865 Confectioner Hackney, Middlesex, England
James Cole Son Single Male 14 1867 Cutter Boot Trade Hackney, Middlesex, England
Edward Cole Son Single Male 12 1869 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England
Marian Cole Daughter Single Female 8 1873 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England
Richard Cole Son Single Male 5 1876 Scholar Hackney, Middlesex, England
Margaret Cole Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Hackney, Middlesex, England



COLE, RICHARD ROSS ROSS
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 593

Catherine

Catherine Report 15 Mar 2020 17:31

There's no mention of a child 'Robert' but I was wondering if this could William with children William and Sarah in 1861

Name: William Cole
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: 1829
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green
Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 9 Cambridge Street
Occupation: Shoemaker
Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Church
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 364
Piece: 260
Folio: 104
Page Number: 62
Household Members:
Name Age
William Cole 32
William Cole 11
Sarah Cole 13
Robert Cole 8

Marcus

Marcus Report 15 Mar 2020 17:36

1851 Census -

County/Island Middlesex
Country England
Registration district Shoreditch
Sub-registration district Haggerstone West
ED, institution, or vessel 10
Household schedule number 105
Piece 1537
Folio 191
Page number 13
Household Members
236841
Household Members
Name
William Cole Age 20
Name
Mary Ann Cole Age 18
Name
William Cole Age 1 Mo

1861 Census -

Civil parish Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish St Jude
County/Island Middlesex
Country England
Registration district Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district Church
ED, institution, or vessel 18
Household schedule number 364
Piece 260
Folio 104
Page number 62
Household Members
5685900
Household Members

Name
William Cole Age 32
(NO WIFE MENTIONED !!)
Name
William Cole Age 11
Name
Sarah Cole Age 13
Name
Robert Cole Age 8

1871 Census see earlier post by ArgyllGran.

The 10 year gap mentioned by ErikaH does seem odd with only the one wife.

Marcus

Marcus Report 15 Mar 2020 17:39

In both 1851 & 1861, all children are described as Son / Daughter but I guess this isn't strictly accurate at times?