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Vivien
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22 Feb 2020 20:40 |
Judging by this was Betsey married twice?
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ArgyllGran
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22 Feb 2020 20:59 |
Well, she certainly was married to John Blight, who died in 1839. I can't see a marriage to John Arnold, but she was at least his partner from the early 1840's onwards.
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ArgyllGran
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22 Feb 2020 21:30 |
There's this marriage of a Betsey Blight - but unless John has been given the wrong surname by mistake on the parish record, it's not her. Or some names haven't been transcribed , which I think is possible:
Betsey Blight in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Betsey Blight Registration Year: 1843 Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district: Bideford Inferred County: Devon Volume: 10 Page: 104 Records on Page: Name Betsey Blight Elizabeth Brannan Harriett Brinsmead John Sapley Cole John Tapley Cole Mary Ann Hopper James Jewell John Jury Robert Squire
In fact, I think there may be more than just (maybe) John Arnold's name missing.
From later records:
Elizabeth Brannan married John Tapley Cole. Harriet Brinsmead married Robert Squire. James Jewell seems to have married a Frances/Fanny Cole (that's from censuses and children's births )
So, Frances Cole and (maybe) John Arnold seem to be missing from the list, and I don't know who Betsey Blight, Mary Ann Hopper, or John Jury married.
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greyghost
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23 Feb 2020 14:22 |
?? Am looking at this as the 1841 census shows John with a daughter Jane born c 1837. They are in Monkleigh where Jane is said to be born.
So presumably before John and Betsy got together as Betsy also on her own with her children. in 1841
A 20 year old John Hookaway is also at Salter's Cottages
John is an Ag, Lab. here, so either not the same man or he changed occupation before the 1851 census
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Salterns Cottage, Monkleigh, Bideford, Devon, England
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place John Arnold Male 40 1801 Devon, England Ag. Lab Anna Arnold Female 15 1826 Devon, England Glover Eliza Arnold Female 10 1831 Devon, England Jane Arnold Female 5 1836 Devon, England
Devon Baptisms
Record set Devon Baptisms First name(s) Eliza Last name Arnold Birth year 1832 Baptism year 1832 Denomination Anglican County Devon Baptism place Monkleigh Mother's first name(s) Ann Father's first name(s) John Archive South West Heritage Trust Birth date 05 Feb 1832 Father's occupation Labourer Residence Slew
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First name(s) Ann Last name Arnold Age 34 Birth year 1805 Death year 1839 Burial year 1839 Burial date 11 May 1839 Denomination Anglican Burial place Monkleigh County Devon Country England Archive reference 3445A/PR/1/7 Archive South West Heritage Trust Record set Devon Burials
from image - resident of Monkleigh
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ArgyllGran
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23 Feb 2020 15:49 |
The daughter Jane would match the daughter Jane in 1851 census - and was clearly born before John and Betsey got together.
Baptism of the daughter Eliza:
Eliza Arnold England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Eliza Arnold Gender: Female Christening Date: 05 Feb 1832 Christening Date (Original): 05 FEB 1832 Christening Place: MONKLEIGH,DEVON,ENGLAND Father's Name: John Arnold Mother's Name: Ann
Here's the name John Jury/Jewry cropping up again - could this be the baptism of the daughter Ann? Did John change his name at some point?
Anna Arnold Jewry in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Anna Arnold Jewry Gender: Female Baptism Date: 13 Feb 1825 Baptism Place: Monkleigh,Devon,England Father: John Jewry Mother: Anne FHL Film Number: 916865
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ArgyllGran
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23 Feb 2020 16:14 |
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John Jewry England Marriages, 1538–1973 Name: John Jewry Spouse's Name: Ann Berman Event Date: 13 May 1824 Event Place: Monkleigh,Devon,England
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ArgyllGran
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23 Feb 2020 16:34 |
Sister of Anna Arnold Jewry:
Mary Anne Jewry in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Name: Mary Anne Jewry Gender: Female Baptism Date: 16 Mar 1828 Baptism Place: Monkleigh,Devon,England Father: John Jewry Mother: Anne FHL Film Number: 916865
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ArgyllGran
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23 Feb 2020 16:53 |
Re Jewry/Jury and Arnold question:
there are pages and pages ( 10) about this family (although some of it seems to be from trees, therefore suspect) here:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=496394.0
A couple of snippets from that thread:
"The second 9 mystery us that John Arnold barge man married Mary Blight nee Hookway f Samuel HOOKWAY a bargeman giving his father as John Arnold a bargeman John Arnold formally John Jury We have found John Jury baptised in Ashreigney in 1801 to Hannah Jury single woman. Did Hannah marry an Arnold or was his biological father John Arnold was he brought up by a John Arnold or what? More to the point how do I find evidence of any of the above "
"A fellow researcher G has contacted me asking about John Arnold basically because he can't understand the name change anyway John Arnold married twice 1 Jane BLIGHT and 2betsey BLIGHT daughter of Samuel Hookway Their marriage is registered Dec qtr 1843 as John JURY his baptism name G has the certificate which says his father was John Arnold a bargeman after that they appear on censuses as ARNOLD 1851 HO107/1895 fo355 p3 I'll ask G for a copy of the certificate G is the grandson of William on this census"
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ArgyllGran
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23 Feb 2020 17:01 |
And a tree for John Arnold - though how correct it is goodness knows.
https://sites.rootsweb.com/~pooleyrus/ppl/3/0/e28416031d8b885d98cf4e9b03.html
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greyghost
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23 Feb 2020 17:57 |
Goodness AG, that all looks very complicated !!
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ArgyllGran
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23 Feb 2020 20:07 |
Yes, very! I can't see the records mentioned in those bits above - baptism for John Jury in 1801 with mother Hannah, nor a marriage to Jane Blight. (Tried Ancestry and FS)
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Vivien
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23 Feb 2020 20:55 |
Hi guys, sorry i have been at work so catching up. I looked up on a different site related to weare gifford and it said John Jury and then the children thereafter were called Arnold. All very complicated! I wonder if there will be any parish records? I havent got access to them on here.But, thank you all for your help xx
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greyghost
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23 Feb 2020 22:11 |
The baptism -
Devon Baptisms
First name(s) John Last name Jury Birth year - Baptism year 1801 Baptism date 22 Mar 1801 Denomination Anglican Baptism place Ashreigney Father's first name(s) - Mother's first name(s) Hannah Mother's last name - County Devon Country England Archive South West Heritage Trust Archive reference 2990A/PR/1/2 Record set Devon Baptisms Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Parish Baptisms Collections from England, Great Britain
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greyghost
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23 Feb 2020 22:21 |
?????? - only one showing in time frame
Devon Marriages And Banns
First name(s) Jane Last name Blight Age - Birth year - Residence Langtree Denomination Anglican Marriage year 1819 Marriage date 01 Sep 1819 Place Langtree Spouse's first name(s) John Spouse's last name Arnold Spouse age - Spouse's residence Langtree County Devon Country England Archive South West Heritage Trust Archive reference 2971A/PR/1/7 Record set Devon Marriages And Banns
From image - Bachelor/Spinster both of the Parish Witnesses - Thomas Nankivill and William Torvill (latter probably a Church official as he signs the previous and following marriage records as witness.
Lang tree about 4 miles SW of Great Torrington and 8 miles S of Bideford
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