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Looking for Elizabeth Chirnside's family

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Jan 2020 18:27

Just for interest -

Robert and Abram Logan lived at Burnhouses in 1848:

https://tinyurl.com/vwu2jq2

In fact, if you Google "Marchmont, Burnhouse" there are lots of references.

Elaine

Elaine Report 12 Jan 2020 21:06

Thank you, ArgyllGran! That is really helpful! As an aside, I had a quick look at the first page and I had to smile... Baronet Blackadder!!! Wonderful!

Thanks again, very much appreciated X

Elaine

Elaine Report 12 Jan 2020 21:43

Again, thank you ArgyllGran - I have just seen your other posts on page 1. That's really interesting - So John and Elizabeth were living in Burnhouse when my great-great grandfather was born, and it looks as if 3x Great Granddad was a servant too... interesting that the name was spelt with a 'P' as on all the other documentation I've seen there is no P! I well remember both my sister and I getting into the habit of saying 'Thomson without the P' when giving our name!

Thank you again! :-)

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 12 Jan 2020 21:54

Of course, the Thompson without the P may be just a mistake - or maybe he's some completely unrelated person. It's not an unusual name, in either spelling.
And we don't know the first name of the Marchmont servant.

Elaine

Elaine Report 17 Jan 2020 00:21

True! :-)

mgnv

mgnv Report 18 Jan 2020 11:19

Groome's Gazetteer has 1890's maps showing parishes for every Scottish county at:
https://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/
In particular:
https://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/images/berwick.jpg


Burnhouse

For a modern map:
https://www.streetmap.co.uk/
Do a Smart Search for: NT 7326 4230

Couldn't find a modern pic, but my guess is the cottage site is abt 50m past the corner at:
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4007120
NT7342 : Minor road near Hassington
Subject Location: NT 7328 4234 [10m precision]
View Direction: East-southeast (about 112 degrees)
[The inset map is streetmap's zoom level 4
The blue grid lines are 1 km apart]

https://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html#/
Enter the grid ref: NT 7326 4230
Select: 1893 1:2500 map
Hit the + a couple of times, and maybe the map window.
Click on square icon at top right margin to turn off blueing




One geographical quirk is that, in 1841, across the Tweed from Coldstream was a detached bit of Co Durham.
This can yield some apparent oddities on the 1841 census.
Although Berwick RD was in the registration county of Northumberland, none of it was in the usual county - it was all in Co Dyrham except Berwick, which was in the county of the City of Berwick.
These County of the City of X were almost all abolished in the latter part of the 19th cent.
The only survivor is the County of the City of London.

As well as Berwick RD, there were a few other detached bits of Co Durham scattered ariund Northumberland, but they were given to Northumberland in 1844.

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/berwick.html

BERWICK REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Northumberland.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.1.1937 (to become part of Northumberland North First registration district).
Sub-districts : Berwick upon Tweed, Islandshire, Norhamshire, Norhamshire & Islandshire.
GRO volumes : XXV (1837-51), 10b (1852-1936).
Registers currently held at : Northumberland.

Table 1: List of Places in Berwick Registration District

Civil Parish County From To Comments
Kyloe Durham 1837 1844 Transferred from Durham to Northumberland on 20.10.1844. See also Table 2, note (a).
Kyloe Northumberland 1844 1936 Transferred from Durham to Northumberland on 20.10.1844. See also Table 2, note (a).
etc.

mgnv

mgnv Report 18 Jan 2020 11:33

Groome's Gazetteer has 1890's maps showing parishes for every Scottish county at:
https://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/
In particular:
https://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/images/berwick.jpg



For a modern map:
https://www.streetmap.co.uk/
Do a Smart Search for: NT 7326 4230

Couldn't find a modern pic, but my guess is the cottage site is abt 50m past the corner at:
https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4007120
NT7342 : Minor road near Hassington
Subject Location: NT 7328 4234 [10m precision]
View Direction: East-southeast (about 112 degrees)
[The inset map is streetmap's zoom level 4
The blue grid lines are 1 km apart]

https://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.html#/
Enter the grid ref: NT 7326 4230
Select: 1893 1:2500 map
Hit the + a couple of times, and maybe the map window.
Click on square icon at top right margin to turn off blueing




One geographical quirk is that, in 1841, across the Tweed from Coldstream was a detached bit of Co Durham.
This can yield some apparent oddities on the 1841 census.
Although Berwick RD was in the registration county of Northumberland, none of it was in the usual county - it was all in Co Dyrham except Berwick, which was in the county of the City of Berwick.
These County of the City of X were almost all abolished in the latter part of the 19th cent.
The only survivor is the County of the City of London.

As well as Berwick RD, there were a few other detached bits of Co Durham scattered ariund Northumberland, but they were given to Northumberland in 1844.

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/berwick.html

BERWICK REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Northumberland.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.1.1937 (to become part of Northumberland North First registration district).
Sub-districts : Berwick upon Tweed, Islandshire, Norhamshire, Norhamshire & Islandshire.
GRO volumes : XXV (1837-51), 10b (1852-1936).
Registers currently held at : Northumberland.

Table 1: List of Places in Berwick Registration District

Civil Parish County From To Comments
Kyloe Durham 1837 1844 Transferred from Durham to Northumberland on 20.10.1844. See also Table 2, note (a).
Kyloe Northumberland 1844 1936 Transferred from Durham to Northumberland on 20.10.1844. See also Table 2, note (a).
etc.

mgnv

mgnv Report 18 Jan 2020 11:51

Elaine - your comment reminds me of Tintin's detective friends - the Thomson twins, Thomson and Thompson - the P is silent, as in Philadelphia.

I read Hergé's Tintin comics as a kid, and later, to my kids (doing all the voices) - happy memories.

Elaine

Elaine Report 15 Apr 2022 17:20

A very big thank you to everyone who responded - pretty sure I have the right Elizabeth Chirnside now. It seems she did not marry John Thomson, the father of her son John Thomson born July 1819 at Eccles and baptised August 1820 in a private ceremony with John and Mary Spark as witnesses. child was noted as 'illegitimate' by the rcle rk. No evidence that either John snr or Elizabeth ever lived together or married anyone else or had other children. Elizabeth ended her days living with a brother, but John snr I have still not found - too many John Thomsons in Scotland to be sure I have the right one.