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Thank you Maddie - for those findings - most appreciative.

(I'm pleased to have had another 'go')

Thanks again -Valerie

CATHERINE JANE
Last name BRYAN
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1900
Registration month -

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CATHERINE JANE BRYAN married one of these people

Henry Arthur Lucas, Harry Wickwar Scard, Harry Wickwar Scara
District Hackney

1911
Catherine Scard
Age in 1911: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Greenwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Tottenham
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County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 100 High Road, South Tottenham
Marital status: Married
Years Married: 10
Estimated Marriage Year: 1901
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: East Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 38
Household schedule number: 31
Piece: 7348
Household Members:
Name Age
Harry Wickwar Scard 35 --- 1876 lewisham
Catherine Scard 36
Gilbert Thomas Scard 9
Harry Leonard Scard 7
Sarah Haynes 80

in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920

Name: Catherin Jane Bryan
Gender: Female
Marriage Place: Church of Our Lady St Joseph Hackney London
Document Year: 1918
Residence Place: 134 Northoiew Rd, Hornsey N 8
Relationship to Soldier: Spouse
Form Title: Descriptive Report on Joining
Other Records:
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Harry Wickwar Scard Self (Head)
Catherin Jane Bryan Spouse
Harry Leonard Scard Child

Name: Catherine J Scard
Death Age: 42
Birth Date: abt 1875
Registration Date: Apr 1917
[May 1917]
[Jun 1917]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Barnet
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 384

Name: Harry W Scard
Death Age: 67
Birth Date: abt 1876
Registration Date: Jan 1943
[Feb 1943]
[Mar 1943]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Lewisham
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1d
Page: 980

SCARD, HARRY LEONARD BRYAN
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 464

WOW! thank you. A pity those two males died early - leaving only Joseph - who became a Marist Brother. So no actual (Bryan) descendants from that branch...

Thank you very much for all the information given - and thanks for ALL the other help given on 'GR' …..much appreciated - Valerie

BRYAN, MARY ANN COLLINS
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 672

BRYAN, NICHOLAS COLLINS
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 760

BRYAN, ELLEN COLLINS
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 735

BRYAN, ELIZABETH ANN COLLINS
GRO Reference: 1871 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 851

BRYAN, CATHERINE JANE COLLINS
GRO Reference: 1873 D Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 889

BRYAN, JAMES THOMAS COLLINS
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 975

BRYAN, GERTRUDE COLLINS
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1010

BRYAN, JOSEPH PATRICK COLLINS
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 248

BRYAN, ANNIE COLLINS
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 1010


Possible births for the children.


And deaths.

BRYAN, NICHOLAS 1
GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 468


BRYAN, JAMES THOMAS 2
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 650

Thank you Erika - that info certainly fits in nicely - I can now add more to my tree!

Thanks again - Valerie

You coul try using the following site for bmd info

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Possible marriage for Gertrude.

England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

First name(s) GERTRUDE
Last name BRYAN
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1911
Registration month -

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GERTRUDE BRYAN married one of these people

Ernest J Surridge, Charles P Haines
District Edmonton
District number -
County Middlesex
Country England
Volume 3A
Volume as transcribed 3A
Page number 1175



This appears to be her in 1939. Ernest's wife was called Rose.


166 Holders Hill Road, Hendon M.B., Middlesex, England

Haines household
(2 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Charles P Haines 13 Jul 1883 Male Ladies Gown Manufactures Married 152 1
Gertrude Haines 26 Oct 1881 Female Dress Designer Married 152 2


Sorry I have to go out just now.

Firstly 'thank you' to Kath - you have certainly helped uncover another branch!

Alviegal …..I would appreciate your offer of help with the others - in particular of 'cousin Gertie' (?) family had mentioned - not sure if this would be the same Gertrude
already shown here in both censuses. (I knew/know nothing of this family branch)
Thank you -Valerie

1911 Census For England & Wales

4A Howard Road S Tottenham N, Tottenham, Middlesex, England

James Bryan Head Married Male 76 1835 Private Means Cork Ireland
Catherine Bryan Wife Married Female 66 1845 Private Means Banty Ireland
Elizabeth A De Leeuw Daughter Widow Female 40 1871 Private Means East Greenwich
Gertrude Bryan Daughter Single Female 31 1880 Designer Blouses East Greenwich
Annie Bryan Daughter Single Female 29 1882 Underclothing Machinist East Greenwich



1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census

6, Blomfield Street, Hackney, London & Middlesex, England

James Bryan Head Married Male 61 1840 Bricklayer Cork, Cork, Ireland
Catherine Bryan Wife Married Female 56 1845 - Ireland
Marie Hale Daughter Widow Female 36 1865 Millinery Saleswoman Greenwich, Kent, England
Gertrude Bryan Daughter Single Female 22 1879 Assist - Blouse Maker Greenwich, Kent, England
Annie Bryan Daughter Single Female 19 1882 Feather Curler Quill Greenwich, Kent, England



If you need a hand looking for Joseph's sisters let us know. You probably like the thrill of looking for them yourself :-) :-)

I found the school record on Findmypast. They have quite a lot of records.

Kath. x

Thank you - 'yes' that must be 'my Joseph'. I'm amazed at how you found his school records +. .
Now it's back to the drawing board to trace any of his sisters.

Thanks to all - for the help.

Valerie

If this is "your" family in the 1891 census then I'm pretty sure the Joseph who went to Dumfries is "yours" as the address is the same as that given on the school record:-

291 Corfield Street, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England

James Bryan Head Married Male 50 1841 General Labourer -
Catherine Bryan Wife Married Female 46 1845 - Ireland
Ellen Louise Bryan Daughter Single Female 22 1869 Purse Maker Greenwich, Kent, England
Elizabeth Bryan Daughter Single Female 22 1869 Feather Curler Greenwich, Kent, England
Catherine Bryan Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Wreath Maker Greenwich, Kent, England
Gertrude Bryan Daughter - Female 12 1879 Scholar Greenwich, Kent, England
Annie Bryan Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Greenwich, Kent, England
Joseph Bryan Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar London, Middlesex, England

Kath. x

Thank you - I'm somewhat surprised that my Joseph would've followed that path - I'm not 100% sure that's 'my Joseph'. I appreciate all the input I've received - thanks to you all - please don't give up.

Thanks again - Valerie

1901 with an address.

Name: Joseph Bryan
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relationship: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 821
Registration district: Dumfries
Civil Parish: Dumfries
Town: Dumfries
County: Dumfriesshire
>>Address: Mt St Michael Novitiate
Occupation: Student
ED: 14
Household schedule number: 180
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1901_429


From Wiki

St Joseph's College is situated on the Craigs Road in Dumfries, south west Scotland. It is a Roman Catholic secondary school. The school began as a Catholic boys' boarding school run by Marist Brothers. It is near St. Michael's Primary School and is one of four secondary schools in Dumfries.

St Joseph's College was founded in 1875 as both a boarding school and the first Novitiate for the training of Marist Brothers in Great Britain. Brother Walfrid, the man who founded Celtic Football Club, also helped to found the school.[1] The school became part of the state school system in 1981, but still accepts Catholic students as priority. The school was a boys' school to begin with, and the first female pupils were admitted as day pupils in the early 1970s.

??? Same birth date as the school records.

1939 Register logo

Upshire & St Marys College Up Street, Bridge-Blean R.D., Kent, England

Household
(1 person)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Joseph Bryan 03 Mar 1884 Male Minister Of Religion & Teacher Single 130 3

That 1891 census.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Corfield Street, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England (no 291)

James Bryan Head Married Male 50 1841 General Labourer -
Catherine Bryan Wife Married Female 46 1845 - Ireland
Ellen Louise Bryan Daughter Single Female 22 1869 Purse Maker Greenwich, Kent, England
Elizabeth Bryan Daughter Single Female 22 1869 Feather Curler Greenwich, Kent, England
Catherine Bryan Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Wreath Maker Greenwich, Kent, England
Gertrude Bryan Daughter - Female 12 1879 Scholar Greenwich, Kent, England
Annie Bryan Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Greenwich, Kent, England
Joseph Bryan Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar London, Middlesex, England (Bethnal Green)

I wonder if/where Joseph Patrick Collins BRYAN appears in 1939? (age abt 56)

Any chance in finding him in Bethnal Green/London areas?

Valerie

Well they were living at 291 corfield street in 1891 so that school entry does looks like him

Thank you very much for these findings. Yes - that does seem to be his parents marriage - especially as the 'Collins' name has shown up on census (as 'mother-in-law')

(I'm not too sure about the Scottish connection - - but thank you anyway.)

Valerie

???????
from scotlands people but subs needed

1911
BRYAN

JOSEPH

1911
M
27
821/ 24/ 1
Dumfries


death
BRYAN
JOSEPH
65
1949
821/ 498
Dumfries