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Please can you find (my) JOSEPH BRYAN b London 1883/4 (abt 56ys in1939).

(he appears 1891 census (age 7) in Bethnal Green) (Parents James/Catherine)

Any help appreciated …..Valerie

Do you know he lived till after 1939

He isn’t with the family in 1901

Was he joseph Patrick

BRYAN, JOSEPH PATRICK COLLINS
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in BETHNAL GREEN Volume 01C Page 248

Thank you all for your help.
I realise he's 'missing' from family 1901 (at 17yrs). (various possibilities for 'where')

Looks promising that could be his birth - as 1881 shows 'Ellen Collins' as 'mother-in-law' - (to his father James) -all living same household.

Sorry I have no more info - wouldn't know of their deaths.

Valerie

Problem is there are other Joseph Bryan born about the same time so if he didn’t use his second name it’s identifying the right one

?

Joseph Bryan
in the West Yorkshire, England, Prison Records, 1801-1914

Name: Joseph Bryan
Birth Year: abt 1885
Birth Place: London
Age: 19
Event Date: 12 Oct 1904
Prison or Quarter Session: HMP Wakefield
Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment or Servitude

Offence gaming 14 days or 14/3d find released

Discharged 18 Oct 1904

But there was another Joseph Bryan born in London Although was c1888

Not what you asked for but as it came up



Catharine Collins
in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
Name: Catharine Collins
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1844
Baptism Date: 31 Aug 1844
Baptism Place: Clountead, Ballingarry and Ballymartle, Cork, Ireland
Parish Variants: Ballingarry, Ballymartle, Belgooly, Clontead, Clonthead, Clountead, Clounted
Diocese: Cork and Ross
Father: Pat Collins
Mother: Ellen Donovan

.Many thanks for your interesting findings - though I wonder if/why 'my' Joseph was in Yorkshire. Hopefully (my) Joseph Patrick Collins Bryan can still be traced!

There has been a family rumour of ancestor/s going out to Aus -from 'a long way back' - slight possibility it may have been him.(?) I'm trying to exhaust all attempts in the UK before I start in Aus.

thanks again - Valerie

This looks like a possibility for his parents marriage:-

First name(s) JAMES
Last name BRYAN
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1863
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™

JAMES BRYAN married one of these people

Maria Littlebury, >>>>>Catherine Collins<<<<<

District Greenwich
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Volume as transcribed 1D
Page number 981
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

Kath. x

Could this be Joseph in a school admissions register? :-

National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914

First name(s) Joseph
Last name Bryan
Birth year 1884
Birth date 03 Mar 1884
Event year 1892
School name St Anne's Roman Catholic Boys School
Town Whitechapel
County Middlesex
Country England
Parent name(s) James Bryan <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Book type Admissions
Archive reference I/STB/1/1/2
Folio / page no. -
Archive
Tower Hamlets Local History Archives & Library

The image gives the address as 291 Corfield Street. His last school was given as Parliament Street School. His reason for leaving school was that he had removed to Dumfries.

Kath. x

This could be Joseph in the 1901 census:-

First name(s) Joseph
Last name Bryan
Relationship -
Marital status Single
Sex Male
Age 17
Birth year 1884
Birth town -
Birth place England
Birth place other as transcribed ENGLAND
Birth county -
Occupation Student <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
House name -
House number -
Street -
Town Dumfries
Parish Dumfries
Country Scotland
County Dumfriesshire
Municipal ward -
Registration district Dumfries
Other household member first name(s) -
Other household member last name -
Archive reference RG13
Piece number -
Folio -
Page -
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain, Scotland

Kath. x

You may need the Scotlandspeople website to find more about him.

Kath. x

???????
from scotlands people but subs needed

1911
BRYAN

JOSEPH

1911
M
27
821/ 24/ 1
Dumfries


death
BRYAN
JOSEPH
65
1949
821/ 498
Dumfries

Thank you very much for these findings. Yes - that does seem to be his parents marriage - especially as the 'Collins' name has shown up on census (as 'mother-in-law')

(I'm not too sure about the Scottish connection - - but thank you anyway.)

Valerie

Well they were living at 291 corfield street in 1891 so that school entry does looks like him

I wonder if/where Joseph Patrick Collins BRYAN appears in 1939? (age abt 56)

Any chance in finding him in Bethnal Green/London areas?

Valerie

That 1891 census.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Corfield Street, Bethnal Green, London & Middlesex, England (no 291)

James Bryan Head Married Male 50 1841 General Labourer -
Catherine Bryan Wife Married Female 46 1845 - Ireland
Ellen Louise Bryan Daughter Single Female 22 1869 Purse Maker Greenwich, Kent, England
Elizabeth Bryan Daughter Single Female 22 1869 Feather Curler Greenwich, Kent, England
Catherine Bryan Daughter Single Female 17 1874 Wreath Maker Greenwich, Kent, England
Gertrude Bryan Daughter - Female 12 1879 Scholar Greenwich, Kent, England
Annie Bryan Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Greenwich, Kent, England
Joseph Bryan Son - Male 7 1884 Scholar London, Middlesex, England (Bethnal Green)

??? Same birth date as the school records.

1939 Register logo

Upshire & St Marys College Up Street, Bridge-Blean R.D., Kent, England

Household
(1 person)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Joseph Bryan 03 Mar 1884 Male Minister Of Religion & Teacher Single 130 3

1901 with an address.

Name: Joseph Bryan
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1884
Relationship: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 821
Registration district: Dumfries
Civil Parish: Dumfries
Town: Dumfries
County: Dumfriesshire
>>Address: Mt St Michael Novitiate
Occupation: Student
ED: 14
Household schedule number: 180
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1901_429


From Wiki

St Joseph's College is situated on the Craigs Road in Dumfries, south west Scotland. It is a Roman Catholic secondary school. The school began as a Catholic boys' boarding school run by Marist Brothers. It is near St. Michael's Primary School and is one of four secondary schools in Dumfries.

St Joseph's College was founded in 1875 as both a boarding school and the first Novitiate for the training of Marist Brothers in Great Britain. Brother Walfrid, the man who founded Celtic Football Club, also helped to found the school.[1] The school became part of the state school system in 1981, but still accepts Catholic students as priority. The school was a boys' school to begin with, and the first female pupils were admitted as day pupils in the early 1970s.