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11 Dec 2019 21:41 |
Do you know where in Wiltshire?
Emma?
Marriages Mar 1929 Coldham Emma E Fossey Barnet 3a 744 Fossey Arthur H Coldham Barnet 3a 744
Deaths Sep 1966 FOSSEY EMMA E 61 CHIPPENHAM 7C 382
Deaths Jun 1979 FOSSEY ARTHUR HENRY 22NO1905 CHIPPENHAM 23 1774
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11 Dec 2019 21:49 |
Perhaps Arthur Coldham was already married and changed his surname?
Births Mar 1869 Coldham Arthur Henry Barnet 3a 153
Marriages Mar 1891 Coldham Arthur Henry Barnet 3a 288 Fielder Elizabeth Ann Barnet 3a 288 HALSEY Clara Ann Barnet 3a 288
Name: Arthur Dale Event Type: Census Event Date: 31 Mar 1901 Event Place: Rochdale, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom County: Lancashire Civil Parish: Rochdale Ecclesiastical Parish: Rochdale St Mary Sub-District: Wardleworth Registration District: Rochdale Gender: Male Age: 32 Occupation: PAINTER Relationship to Head of Household: Head Birth Year (Estimated): 1869 Birthplace: Holloway, London Schedule Type: 191 Page Number: 26
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Arthur Dale Head M 32 Holloway, London Esther Dale Wife F 32 Swansea Arthur Harry Dale Son M 2 Cardiff
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11 Dec 2019 21:56 |
And did he change back again later?
Arthur H Coldham in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Arthur H Coldham Death Age: 58 Birth Date: abt 1869 Registration Date: Apr 1927 [May 1927] [Jun 1927] Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Barnet Inferred County: Middlesex Volume: 3a Page: 409
1922 ER (and also 1920):
Arthur Henry Coldham Sr in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965 Name: Arthur Henry Coldham Sr Gender: Male Electoral Date: 1920 Ward or Division/Constituency: Finchley County or Borough: Barnet, England
He's with Arthur Henry junior, and Esther.
Address: Windsor Castle Cottage
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11 Dec 2019 22:00 |
No sign of Arthur Coldham in 1901 or 1911, which are the only years we see Arthur Dale.
Arthur Coldham in the 1881 England Census Name: Arthur Coldham Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relationship to Head: Son Mother: Emma Coldham Gender: Male Where born: Finchley, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Finchley County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Green Lane 1 Old Manor Cottage Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Barnet ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: Piece: 1371 Folio: 42 Page Number: 78 Household Members: Name Age Emma Coldham 36 Arthur Coldham 12 Charles Coldham 10 Herbert Coldham 7 Emma Coldham 5 Henry Thos. Coldham 3 Emma Harrison 73 Samuel Smith 23
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11 Dec 2019 22:00 |
Hi Rose and Gran,
I was just coming back to add that both Florence and Emma married stating their maiden names were Coldham.
Fossey is correct, my niece remembered seeing a daughter in Wiltshire called Doff. So I went trawling for births and found the 1945 Chippenham birth for Dorothy.
Thanks for the confirmation.
Something dire must have happened for the girls to use the alternate name. Oooooh your suggestion about him already being married is intriguing :-D
Sue x
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11 Dec 2019 22:04 |
Births Jun 1899 Dale Arthur Henry Cardiff 11a 369
Informant a year off?
Deaths Mar 1971 COLDHAM Arthur Henry 21My1898 Hendon 5c 442
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11 Dec 2019 22:06 |
Could be Esther was already married too.
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11 Dec 2019 22:07 |
??? Arthur Henry Coldham in the Web: UK, Royal Marines Registers of Service Index, 1842-1925 Name: Arthur Henry Coldham Birth Date: 16 Dec 1868 Enlistment Date: 16 Mar 1887 Division: Royal Marine Light Infantry: Portsmouth Division Register Number: 3723
Trade before enlistment: french polisher.
Invalided out 10 July 1889.
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11 Dec 2019 22:08 |
Married Clara Ann Halsey:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: COLDHAM, HENRY JAMES HALSEY GRO Reference: 1892 D Quarter in BARNET Volume 03A Page 242
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: COLDHAM, ANNIE EMMA GEORGINA HALSEY GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 629 COLDHAM, ETHEL CLARA HALSEY GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in BARNET Volume 03A Page 271
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11 Dec 2019 22:11 |
All by herself in 1901:
Name: Clara Coldham Event Type: Census Event Date: 31 Mar 1901 Event Place: Friern Barnet, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom County: Middlesex Civil Parish: Fryern Barnet Ecclesiastical Parish: All Saint'S Sub-District: Finchley Registration District: Barnet Gender: Female Age: 29 Occupation: LAUNDRY WOMAN Relationship to Head of Household: Head Birth Year (Estimated): 1872 Birthplace: Potters Bar, Middlesex Schedule Type: 109 Page Number: 16
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Clara Coldham Head F 29 Potters Bar, Middlesex Annie Emma Coldham Daughter F 9 Hampstead, Middlesex Henry Jas Coldham Son M 8 East Finchley, Middlesex Ethel Clara Coldham Daughter F 6 East Finchley, Middlesex
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11 Dec 2019 22:14 |
No husband with Clara in 1901:
Clara Coldham in the 1901 England Census Name: Clara Coldham Age: 29 Estimated birth year: abt 1872 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Potters Bar, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Friern Barnet Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Middlesex Country: England View image Registration district: Barnet Sub-registration district: Finchley ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: Piece: 1235 Folio: 114 Page Number: 16 Household schedule number: 109 Household Members: Name Age Clara Coldham 29 - married Annie Emma Coldham 9 Henry Jas Coldham 8 Ethel Clara Coldham 6
COLDHAM, ANNIE EMMA GEORGINA mms HALSEY GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 629
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11 Dec 2019 22:15 |
Still calling herself married in 1911:
Clara Coldham in the 1911 England Census Name: Clara Coldham Age in 1911: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1869 Relation to Head: Servant Gender: Female Birth Place: Potter's Bar, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Finchley County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Ren, Holly Park, Church End, Finchley N Marital status: Married Occupation: General Servant Domestic Registration district: Barnet Registration District Number: 131 Sub-registration district: Finchley ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: 111 Piece: 7170 Household Members: Name Age Ernest Richard Edwards 39 Alice Maria Edwards 38 Iris Hertha Edwards 4 Gladys Alnutt Cresswell 22 Clara Coldham 42
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11 Dec 2019 22:16 |
Clara A Coldham in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Clara A Coldham Death Age: 74 Birth Date: abt 1868 Registration Date: Jan 1942 [Feb 1942] [Mar 1942] Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district: Hendon Inferred County: Middlesex Volume: 3a Page: 884
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11 Dec 2019 22:17 |
Deaths Mar 1942 Coldham Clara A 74 Hendon 3a 884
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11 Dec 2019 22:19 |
Sisters Ethel and Annie together in 1911, both unmarried, plus (presumably) the son of one of them:
Ethel Clara Coldham in the 1911 England Census Name: Ethel Clara Coldham Age in 1911: 17 Estimated birth year: abt 1894 Relation to Head: Sister Gender: Female Birth Place: Finchley, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Finchley County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 71 Long Lane, East Finchley Marital status: Single Occupation: Daily Servant Domestic Registration district: Barnet Registration District Number: 131 Sub-registration district: Finchley ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Household schedule number: 50 Piece: 7176 Household Members: Name Age Annie Emma Georgeina Coldham 20 Ethel Clara Coldham 17 Henry Coldham 2/12
Young Henry is first listed as "son", then that's scored out and replaced by "brother". That's a cover-up for respectability.
COLDHAM, HENRY - GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in BARNET Volume 03A Page 398
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11 Dec 2019 22:21 |
Hi Gran thanks for your replies too. I just found his Naval Records as you posted When the short birth cert was discovered obviously this provoked questions. These have lain unanswered until I offered to look at the details day before yesterday.
The family were covering something up if there wasn't sudden deaths of both parents when the girls were young and they were raised by another family.
My nephew and niece will be really excited to read this thread and I cannot thank everyone enough.
I will leave it open just in case anything else comes to light.
Thank you all so much
Sue
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12 Dec 2019 11:25 |
So he changed his name between at least 1893 and 1901 - presumably because of setting up home illicitly with Esther.
Arthur Henry Coleman in the 1891 England Census Name: Arthur Henry Coleman Gender: Male Age: 22 Relationship: Head Birth Year: 1869 Spouse: Clara Ann Coleman Birth Place: Fincham, Middlesex , England [Finchley , Middlesex , England ] Civil Parish: Hampstead Residence Place: Hampstead, London, England Sub registration district: Hampstead ED, Institution or Vessel: 19 Neighbors: Piece: 109 Folio: 57 Household Members: Name Age Arthur Henry Coleman 22 - conductor, tramcar Clara Ann Coleman 20
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12 Dec 2019 11:46 |
Sue -
Earlier you said: "someone in this family remembers visiting a couple of ladies who she thought were Florence's siblings, one called Emma and the visits were in Wiltshire."
Arthur H Fossey in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Arthur H Fossey Gender: Male Marital status: Married Birth Date: 22 Nov 1905 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 90 Woodlands Road Residence Place: Chippenham, Wiltshire, England Occupation: Progress Clerk Schedule Number: 184 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: WRCH Registration district: 243/2 Inferred Spouse: Emma E Fossey Household Members: Name Arthur H Fossey Emma E Fossey Esther J Coldham - widowed, 22 Sept 1868.
You found the daughter Dorothy's birth in 1945. There was also a son, Derek, in 1943, who sadly died the same year.
His birth reg is correctly transcribed on Ancestry, but FreeBMD wrongly has it as being in Chipping Norton, with the wrong volume number. I've submitted a postem.
Derek A Fossey in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Derek A Fossey Death Age: 0 Birth Date: abt 1943 Registration Date: Oct 1943 [Nov 1943] [Dec 1943] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district: Chippenham Inferred County: Wiltshire Volume: 5a Page: 67
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12 Dec 2019 12:28 |
in case you don't have it
Arthur Henry Last name Coldham Age 46 Birth year 1868 Birth town Finchley Birth county Middlesex Birth country England Service number 22412 Regiment Middlesex Regiment Unit / Battalion 9th Reserve Battalion Year 1915 Residence town Finchley Residence county Middlesex Residence country England Series WO 363 Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
Arthur Henry Last name Coldham Age 47 Birth year 1868 Birth town Finchley Birth county Middlesex Birth country England Service number 237419 Regiment Labour Corps Unit / Battalion 402nd (Home Service) Employment Company Year 1915 Residence town Finchley Residence county Middlesex Residence country England Series WO 363 Series description Wo 363 - First World War Service Records 'Burnt Documents'
wife ester windsor cottage the walks east finchley he was a deorator
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12 Dec 2019 12:59 |
Oooh thanks for the latest replies, I will be kept busy today.
Had a long chat with Nephew last night and from all the help you have given the first deductions are:
He started first family with Clara near London.
Second family using the surname Dale he established in Lancashire.
He reverted to the original surname of Coldham by 1920, the 3 children from the Lancashire family used the Coldham name when they married.
Why Esther gave birth in Cardiff, Colwyn Bay and Rochdale is really intriguing. Especially as in 1901 she was living in Rochdale and 1911 in Bolton. Bearing in mind what travel complications were in place in the early 1900s. Esther states her place of birth as Swansea, so more digging.
Can't express my thanks enough :-D
Sue x
Edited, reverted to Coldham when he enlisted for the second time..
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