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I have an Elizabeth Briggs born 1801 at St Mary's in Nottingham. I think her mother was Jane Briggs. The last time I have found her in a census as Elizabeth Briggs is 1841 in Southwell. I can't find any marriage records after this date for her but I have found a record of a death in 1842 in Southwell, volume 15, page 417, line 55. Is there any where I can search to try and determine if this is my Elizabeth or do I have to order the death certificate to progress further?

Robert Briggs is Elizabeth's son, he was born in Nottinghamshire in 1832. He marries Charlotte Holmes in Sept 1860 at Chesterfield. On his marriage certificate it says he was a widower, I can't find a previous marriage after 1851 (he was single in the census) and before 1860. I wonder if anyone can help please.

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BRIGGS, ELIZABETH 72
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in SOUTHWELL Volume 15 Page 417

From the following site, where age at death is recorded before 1869, and where MMN is on birth registrations before 1911

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

Are you certain this is Elizabeth's son? Your post implies she wasn't married when Robert was born

Name: Robert Briggs (Coal Miner)
Gender: Male
Marital status: Widowed
Age: 27
Birth Date: 1833
Marriage Date: 3 Sep 1860
Marriage Place: Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England
Father: Robert Briggs, Publican************************************************
Spouse: Charlotte Holmes

Just to add a Burial for 1842 Death.

Chris :)

County Nottinghamshire
Place Kelham
Church name St Wilfrid
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 186
Burial date 02 Aug 1842
Burial person forename Elizabeth
Burial person surname BRIGGS
Person age 72
Burial person abode Kelham

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

(can be useful for things Notts.)


Baptism
County Nottinghamshire
Place Nottingham
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 06 Aug 1801
Person forename Elizabeth
Person sex F
Mother forename Jane
Mother surname BRIGGS

Suggestions - based purely on geography

Marriages Jun 1853 (>99%)
Briggs Robert Shardlow 7b 489
Hollis Sarah Shardlow 7b 489


Marriages Jun 1856 (>99%)
Briggs Robert Newark 7b 399
PETTENER Eleanor Newark 7b 399

As you haven't found Elizabeth after 1841, can you say how you know exactly where she was born, please.

(says his Father Robert is a Publican, on that 1860 Marriage. Residence for Both, Eyre Street)

Seems a bit confusing!...

Chris :)

Edits (the 1853 Briggs/Hollis Marriage, he was 26, Farmer, Father, John, occ. Farmer)

Yes she is def Roberts mother. It says single mum where I found the record. I started researching this tree quite a few years ago now and had to leave it because I couldn't work Elizabeth out or get any further back. I've just decided to try and pick it up again.

Some one who helped me at the time said that it was most likely that he lied on the marriage certificate since he was born to a single mum.

Erika, I know she was born 1801 because my father in law has a prayer book which used to be hers. In it is an inscription for her birth which was 1801. The book was signed by a rev. Dr berdsmore that I found was a past vicar at the church she was born in in 1801. Her mother who I think was Jane Briggs was also born at the church when rev berdsmore was actually a vicar there.

So I'm more or less sure that is her. :-)

Where was the Record found, Birth of Robert 1832?...

Chris :)

Chris, Charlotte and Robert already had a child when they married so I think that's why they were living in the same address already.

I have the marriage certificate for the Sarah hollis marriage as I thought it could have been the marriage but as you say the father is John Briggs so that doesn't talky either.

This is why I've left it for so many years now! :-D

That's fine

Was just checking because the 1841, as you know, doesn't record birthplace info

I don't understand why his Father is Robert, are you saying he was 'made up'?...

Chris :)

County Nottinghamshire
Place Nottingham
Church name St Mary
Register type Unspecified
Baptism date 06 Aug 1801
Person forename Elizabeth
Person sex F
Mother forename Jane
Mother surname BRIGGS
Transcribed by John Turton
File line number 6290

So you think she moved from Nottingham to Southwell at some stage..............

On familysearch site (FREE)


Name:
Robert Briggs
Gender:
Male
Christening Date:
10 Jun 1832
Christening Date (Original):
10 JUN 1832
Christening Place:
BLEASBY,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND
Mother's Name:
Elizabeth Briggs

Name:
Robert Briggs

1851
Event Place:
Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England
Registration District:
Mansfield
Residence Note:
Newark Road
Gender:
Male
Age:
19
Marital Status:
Unmarried
Occupation:
Farm Servant
Relationship to Head of Household:
Servant
Birth Year (Estimated):
1832
Birthplace:
Bleasby, Nottinghamshire
Page Number:
19
Registration Number:
HO107
Piece/Folio:
2124 / 314
Affiliate Record Type:
Household

1841
Event Place:
Bleasby, Nottinghamshire, England, United Kingdom
Residence Note:
Hamlet Of Gibsmere
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
William Fish Male 70 Nottinghamshire
Mary Fish Female 65 Nottinghamshire
Maria Fish Female 11 Nottinghamshire
Robert Briggs Male 9 Nottinghamshire
William Dailey Male 20 Nottinghamshire

(ah!, that looks right, came across below (old) on google search of names.

https://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/890471?d=asc

Chris :)

Edits (FMP Baptism)

Nottinghamshire Baptisms Index 1538-1917
First name(s) Robert
Last name Briggs
Baptism year 1832
Baptism date 10 Jun 1832
Denomination Anglican
Church St Mary
Baptism place Bleasby
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name -
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Mother's last name Briggs
Residence Gibsmere

Have you considered that the woman on 1841 isn't 'your' Elizabeth Briggs?

Robert isn't with her, so it may be a different woman

If this is Robert's burial, his age is a year 'out' compared with his baptism

Name: Robert Briggs
Age: 32
Birth Year: 1833
Burial Date: 17 Aug 1865
Burial Place: Clay Cross, Derbyshire, England