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I wonder if anyone could give me any advice on looking for the birth and parents of Ellen Barrow c 1835 Pemberton Wigan Lancashire

This is her marriage to Henry Fairhurst and it says her father is Robert Foster

Marriage: 26 Nov 1865 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Henry Fairhurst - 31, Coal Miner, Bachelor, Waites Delf, Pemberton
Ellen Barrow - (X), 30, House keeper, Spinster, Waites Delf, Pemberton
Groom's Father: John Fairhurst, Coal Miner
Bride's Father: Robert Foster, Stone Mason
Witness: William Fairhurst; Ellen Middlehurst
Married by Banns by: A.Coates
Register: Marriages 1859 - 1870, Page 136, Entry 272
Source: LDS Film 1885637

Any help finding her her birth and parents would be very much appreciated

Thanks Linda

Ellen Foster
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
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Name:
Ellen Foster
Residence Place:
Wigan, Lancashire, England
Gender:
Female
Christening Date:
02 Jun 1835
Christening Date (Original):
2 Jun 1835
Christening Place:
WIGAN, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND
Birthplace:
ENGLAND
Father's Name:
Robert Foster
Mother's Name:
Alice

Presumably this is Ellen in 1861:


Ellen Barrow
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Ellen Barrow
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: 1835
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Pemberton
Ecclesiastical parish: Pemberton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Pemberton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 39
Piece: 2782
Folio: 80
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Tharlotte Barrow 27 - widow
Ellen Barrow 26 - sister
Thomas Barrow 21 - brother
Ralph Barrow 20 - brother
Elizabeth Barrow 1 - daughter
Jane Barrow 1 - sister's daughter
Robert Foster 50 - stonemason, Wigan

The only record you can hope for is her baptism. Civil registration didn't start until July 1837

Robert Forster
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Robert Forster
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1800
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigan, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Pemberton
Ecclesiastical parish: Pemberton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Hindley
ED, institution, or vessel: 2d
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 50
Piece: 2200
Folio: 451
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice Barrow 51 - widow, Ashton in Makerfield
Charlotte Barrow 18
Ellen Barrow 16
Thomas Barrow 12
Ralph Barrow 10
Robert Forster 51 - unmarried, stone mason

think this is her in 1841 census

llen Barrow
England and Wales Census, 1841
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Name:
Ellen Barrow
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1841
Event Place:
Wigan, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Residence Note:
Ryland'S Mill Lane
Gender:
Female
Age:
6
Age (Original):
6
Birth Year (Estimated):
1835
Birthplace:
Lancashire
Registration District:
Wigan
Parish:
Wigan
County:
Lancashire
Page Number:
12
Registration Number:
HO107
Piece/Folio:
522/51
Affiliate Record Type:
Institution
Household
Role
Sex
Age
Birthplace
Alice Barrow

Female
40
Lancashire
Cathrine Barrow

Female
10
Lancashire
Charlotte Barrow

Female
8
Lancashire
Ellen Barrow xxxx

Female
6
Lancashire
Thos Barrow

Male
2
Lancashire
Ralph Barrow

Male
0
Lancashire
Charles R Foster

Male
40
Lancashire

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Waits Delf, Pemberton, Wigan, Lancashire, England


Alice Barrow Head Widow Female 51 1800 - Lancashire, England
Charlotte Barrow Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1833 At Home Pemberton, Lancashire, England
>>>>>Ellen Barrow Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1835 At Home Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Barrow Son - Male 12 1839 Scholar Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Ralph Barrow Son - Male 10 1841 Scholar Pemberton, Lancashire, England
>>>>>Robert Forster Lodger Unmarried Male 51 1800 Stone Mason Wigan, Lancashire, England

Charlotte Barrows
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Charlotte Barrows
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wigan
Hundred: West Derby
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Wigan
Sub-registration district: Pemberton
Neighbors:
Piece: 522
Book: 16
Folio: 51
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice Barrows 40
Catherine Barrows 10
Charlotte Barrows 8
Ellen Barrows 6
Thos Barrows 2
Ralph Barrows 3 Mo

Also (not transcribed on Ancestry) -

Charles R Foster, 40, Stone mason

?? Note parents' first names - repeated in Alice's younger children

Name: Robert Foster
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 08 Mar 1802
Christening Date (Original): 08 MAR 1802
Christening Place: WIGAN,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 03 Dec 1801
Father's Name: Ralph Foster
Mother's Name: Ellen Sayer

Baptism: 23 Mar 1841 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Ralph Barrow - Son of Alice Barrow
Born: 5 Mar
Abode: Pemberton
Baptised by: Benjn. Wilson Off. Min.
Register: Baptisms 1838 - 1842, Page 247, Entry 1970
Source: LDS Film 1885679

Baptism: 15 May 1837 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Sarah Barrow - Daur. of Alice Barrow
Born: 5 Apr
Abode: Pemberton
Baptised by: J. K. Glazebrook
Register: Baptisms 1836 - 1838, Page 115, Entry 914
Source: LDS Film 1885678


Baptism: 12 Dec 1838 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Thomas Edward Barrow - Son of Alice Barrow
Born: 1 Nov 1833
Abode: Pemberton
Baptised by: Jas. K. Glazebrook Curate
Register: Baptisms 1836 - 1838, Page 299, Entry 2392
Source: LDS Film 1885678

Alice didn't marry, BUT.....................

Baptism: 1 Apr 1833 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Charlotte Barrow - 1 Daur. of Alice Barrow
Born: 21 Feb
Abode: Pemberton
Notes: [Father recorded as 'Robert Foster of Hallgate, Stonemason then deleted]
Baptised by: J. K. Glazebrook
Register: Baptisms 1830 - 1833, Page 270, Entry 2158

Baptism: 19 Mar 1844 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
James Barrow - Son of Alice Barrow
Born: 8 Mar
Abode: Pemberton
Baptised by: Charles Bisset Curate
Register: Baptisms 1842 - 1845, Page 225, Entry 1799
Source: LDS Film 1885679

Baptism: 24 Mar 1847 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Sarah Barrow - Daur. of Alice Barrow
Born: 7 Mar
Abode: Pemberton
Baptised by: John T. Pigot Curate
Register: Baptisms 1845 - 1848, Page 269, Entry 2146
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

The first Sarah must have died.............

Yes...........

Burial: 21 Nov 1837 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Sarah Barrow - Daughter of Alice Barrow
Age: 7 Months
Abode: Waits Delf Pemberton
Cause of Death: Weakness
Buried by: Edward Jones Curate
Register: Burials 1834 - 1839, Page 193, Entry 1544
Source: LDS Film 1885702

Not much luck with the name Sarah

Burial: 3 Jun 1847 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Sarah Barrow - Daughter of Alice Barrow
Age: 3 Months
Abode: Pemberton
Buried by: Henry Neale Curate
Register: Burials 1847 - 1848, Page 4, Entry 25
Source: LDS Film 1885702

I see on the 1871 census Ellen is a widow with daughters Elizabeth, 14, Jane, 10 and Margaret, 2.

thank you so much everyone.

am I right in thinking Ellen was born Ellen Barrows to Alice Barrows
no father mentioned
and Robert foster was a stepfather

Thanks Linda

Burial: 25 Apr 1826 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Thomas Barrow - Son of Alice Barrow
Age: 2 weeks
Abode: Scholes
Cause of Death: Fits
Buried by: J.Bromilow
Register: Burials 1824 - 1830, Page 93, Entry 739
Source: LDS Film 1885701

Burial: 2 Feb 1843 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
William Barrow - Son of Alice Barrow
Age: 3 Months
Abode: Pemberton
Cause of Death: Fits
Buried by: Charles Bisset Curate
Register: Burials 1839 - 1844, Page 251, Entry 2007
Source: LDS Film 1885702

Burial: 21 Jun 1844 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
James Barrow - Son of Alice Barrow
Age: 11 Weeks
Abode: Pemberton
Cause of Death: Weakness
Buried by: John Lomas Curate
Register: Burials 1839 - 1844, Page 372, Entry 2969
Source: LDS Film 1885702

Burial: 2 Mar 1873 St John the Divine, Pemberton, Lancashire, England
Robert Foster -
Age: 73
Abode: Waite's Delf Pemberton
Buried by: C. L. Coldwell
Register: Burials 1866 - 1874, Page 191, Entry 548
Source: LDS Film 1885640

No way of knowing for certain about her father, but look carefully at Charlotte's baptism

ALL the children were Alice's and were illegitimate

Technically, a stepfather actually marries the mother.

Thank you so much for all this help

maybe robert was already married

?????
Robert
Last name Foster
Name note -
Marriage year 1827
Marriage date 25 Feb 1827
Marriage place Wigan
Spouse's first name(s) Hannah
Spouse's last name Tarton

1871 is interesting
Wallace Lane, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Robert Foster Head - Male 72 1799 - Lancashire, England
Alice Barrow Tally Wife - Female 72 1799 - Lancashire, England

tally-wife ---- the woman with whom a man cohabits.
Residence Wigan, Lancashire, England
County Lancashire

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Burial: 13 Nov 1871 St Aidan, Billinge, Lancashire, England
Alice Barrow -
Age: 72 years
Abode: Wigan
Buried by: Howard St. George Vicar
Register: Burials 1851 - 1872, Page 195, Entry 1555
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

Maddie

that's interesting.

A Tally - never seen or heard of that before.

Thank you so much

Linda

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Baptism: 24 Jul 1803 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Alice Barrow - second Daur. of George Barrow & Mary (formerly Belshaw)
Born: 30 Jun
Abode: Scoles
Occupation: Weaver
Mother's Parents: Thomas & Margaret Belshaw
Register: Baptisms 1799 - 1812, Page 119
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

Baptism: 1 Jan 1806 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Margaret Barrow - second Daur. of George Barrow & Mary (formerly Belshaw)
Born: 10 Nov
Abode: Scoles
Occupation: Weaver
Mother's Parents: Thomas & Margt. Belshaw
Register: Baptisms 1799 - 1812, Page 193
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

Marriage: 28 Jun 1803 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
George Barrow - (X), Wigan
Mary Belshaw - (X), Wigan
Witness: Wm. Bancks; Robt. Haselden
Married by Banns by: Cecil Wray Curate
Register: Marriages 1790 - 1803, Page 255, Entry 1606
Source: LDS Film 1885689

Baptism: 17 Feb 1776 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Jane Belshaw - Daughter of Thomas Belshaw & Margt.
Abode: frog-lane
Register: Baptisms 1754 - 1778, Page 203
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives

Baptism: 26 Apr 1778 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Mary Belshaw - Daughter of Thomas Belshaw & Margt.
Abode: frog-lane
Register: Baptisms 1754 - 1778, Page 231
Source: Original register at Wigan Archives