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Glyn
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27 Sep 2019 23:20 |
I’m trying to trace this lady. She was born in 1903 in Neufchâtel in Switzerland. After the war she moved to Jersey, and she was registered there by 1923. She married a man surnamed Carrel from Jersey. Not sure when they married. Any ideas where I could find out more information about her and her parents? Thank you
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Catherine
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27 Sep 2019 23:33 |
Name: Rose Genevieve Carrel Maiden Name: Beguin Nationality: Swiss Birth Date: 6 Apr 1903 Birth Place: Neuchatel, Switzerland Registration Date: 6 Oct 1923 Registration Place: Jersey, Channel Islands Reference Number: D/S/B2/21 URL: http://catalogue.jerseyheritag...
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Catherine
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27 Sep 2019 23:35 |
thislooks to be her coming back from Canada
Name: Rose G Carrol Arrival Age: 23 Birth Date: abt 1903 Port of Departure: St John, New Brunswick, Canada Arrival Date: 12 Dec 1926 Port of Arrival: Southampton, England Ship Name: Melita Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Line Official Number: 136367 Search Ship Database: Search for the Melita in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Travelling with:- Charles carrel
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going out
Name: Rose Carrel Gender: Female Age: 23 Birth Date: abt 1903 Departure Date: 3 Apr 1926 Port of Departure: Southampton, England Destination Port: St John, New Brunswick, Canada Ship Name: Melita Search Ship Database: Search for the Melita in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific Railway Official Number: 136367 Master: M Aikman
Travelling with Charles Carrel Aged 25 Occupation: Farmer Address coming from:- Annerville Farm, Goray Jersey
Country of future permanant residence:- Canada
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Catherine
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27 Sep 2019 23:36 |
could be related
Décédé(e) Nom: Edwin Walter Carroll Type d'événement: Obituary Date de l'événement: 07 Aug 1995 Lieu de l'événement: Virginia, United States Sexe: Male Âge: 83 Relation avec le defunt: Deceased Année de naissance (estimée): 1912 Date de décès: About 07 Aug 1995 Lieu du décès: Wakefield, , Journal: Richmond Times-Dispatch
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Catherine
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27 Sep 2019 23:38 |
in which case this could also be relevant
Nom: Edwin Benjamin Carroll • Type d'événement: Marriage Date de l'événement: 03 Aug 1968 Lieu de l'événement: , Aylor, Virginia, United States Sexe: Male Âge: 21 Race: White Date de naissance: 17 Dec 1946 Lieu de licence de mariage: Madison, Virginia Nom du père: Edwin Walter Carroll • Nom de la mère: Genevieve Rose Carroll • Nom du conjoint: Barbara Elaine Kitchen • Sexe du Conjoint: Female Conjoint Age: 19 Race de conjoint: White Date de naissance du conjoint: 27 Jul 1949 Nom de père du conjoint: Everette Ross Kitchen • Nom de mère du conjoint: Annie Dixon Kitchen • Numéro de certificat: 68 033866
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Gwyn in Kent
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27 Sep 2019 23:53 |
Those records might refer to this person
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/127881287/genevieve-rose-carroll
If the information given is correct, this person's maiden name was ROSE
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Catherine
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27 Sep 2019 23:57 |
So, as passenger list shows she is travelling with a Charles Carrel so looks like the other family in the States is probably not her.
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Catherine
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27 Sep 2019 23:59 |
Name: Rose Genevieve Carrel Maiden Name: Bequin Birth Date: 6 Apr 1903 Registration Date: 23 Jan 1944 Residence Place: Anneville Farm, Gorey, St Martin, Jersey, Channel Islands Description: Registration Card of Rose Genevieve Carrel, née Beqin, of Anneville Farm, Gorey, St Martin, born 06/04/1903
this shows her address in Jersey was Anneville Farm, Gorey so the travel document is her going to Canada
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Glyn
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28 Sep 2019 09:39 |
That sounds like her. Brilliant! So does that mean she visited Canada, in which case Edwin is some relation? Thanks Catherine and Gwyn
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Chris Ho :)
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28 Sep 2019 09:47 |
Not online yet, but her below...
Chris :)
https://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=beguin&fulltext=Search
Methodist Church publications records index - B
J/C/BW1/157 - Rose Genevieve Beguin
https://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/Family_records
Edits (Beghin, might be another variant of Surname)
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ArgyllGran
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28 Sep 2019 10:26 |
Edwin Walter Carroll's wife Genevieve is NOT your Rose.
A tree on Ancestry shows the image of his 1941 marriage cert. As Gwyn has said, Edwin's wife's maiden surname was Rose.
She was Genevieve Lewis Rose, father William L Rose, birthplace Madison county.
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ArgyllGran
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28 Sep 2019 10:47 |
Info re researching Swiss BMDs:
https://tinyurl.com/y2qur79w
However, I don't see her birth on FamilySearch.
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Glyn
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28 Sep 2019 10:48 |
That’s helpful too Chris. Thanks. I think the Carroll lead isn’t any connection. Thank you anyway.
Apparently Rose Genevieve and Charles Carrel went to Canada to emigrate, but she was kicked by a horse which lead to gangrene and they returned to Jersey for treatment and stayed there.
I wonder if you have any ideas how I could trace Rose Genevieve and her family in Switzerland before she moved to Jersey?
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Chris Ho :)
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28 Sep 2019 11:20 |
If you contact on below, they might be able to help with the 1903 Methodist Church reference...
Chris :)
https://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/Family_records
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Glyn
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28 Sep 2019 11:41 |
No I tried Family Search, Argyll Gran, and didn’t find her either. Thanks Chris I’m pursuing that line, but really it’s the time before she came to Jersey and married, and her parents and siblings I’m trying to trace. Of course much was disrupted and destroyed by the war so it may not be possible to find her parents. There are lots of Beguins in Neuchatel but I can’t find a link to Rose Genevieve amongst them I know you’re all much better at finding things than me, as you’ve already proved, so that’s why I’m asking for your help. :-)
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Chris Ho :)
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28 Sep 2019 11:45 |
As it refers to a publication 1903, might be a notice, Birth/Baptism...if you're trying to find names of her Parents...
Chris :)
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Catherine
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28 Sep 2019 12:41 |
Can't see that this has been posted so posting in case you don't have it:-
Canada, recensement des provinces des Prairies, 1926
Nom: Charles A Carrel • Type d'événement: Census Date de l'événement: 1926 Lieu de l'événement: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Lieu de l'événement (original): Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Sexe: Male Âge: 25 Statut marital: Married Race: English Année de naissance (estimée): 1901 Lieu de naissance: England Année d'immigration: 1926 Lien avec le chef de ménage: Head of Household Numéro de page: 3 Foyer Rôle Sexe Âge Lieu de naissance Charles A Carrel Head of Household Homme 25 England Rose Y Carrel Wife Femme 24 Switzerland
...........interesting to note that under:- Language Maternelle they have both noted French
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Catherine
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28 Sep 2019 13:14 |
adding for ref. knowing his parents names, may help find a marriage:-
Name: Charles Carrel Age in 1911: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1902 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Birth Place: St Martin, Jersey, Channel Islands Civil Parish: St Martin County/Island: Jersey Country: Channel Islands Street address: Les Marrettes Faldonet Gorey Distrect, Jersey Occupation: School Registration district: Jersey Registration District Number: 637 Sub-registration district: St Martin ED, institution, or vessel: 6/3 Household schedule number: 93 Piece: 34846 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Edwin Carrel 33 - Birth Place: St Martin, Jersey, Channel Islands Anne Carrel 34 - Birth Place: Trinity, Jersey, Channel Islands Edwin Carrel 11 Charles Carrel 9 ...............................................
Name: Thomas Edwin Carrel Gender: Male Age: 21 Birth Year: abt 1878 Marriage Date: 25 Mar 1899 Marriage Place: St Saviour, Jersey Parish as it Appears: St Saviour Search Photos: Search for 'St Saviour' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Father: Philippe Carrel Spouse: Anne Mary Briant
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Glyn
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28 Sep 2019 17:25 |
Thanks Chris and Catherine. I am trying to find the marriage certificate for Charles and Rose as it may mention Rose’s parents. They both spoke French as Charles was a native of Jersey. The Carrel family line has been fairly easy to find through Jersey Records, but it’s the Beguin line that’s hard to find. I have nothing on Rose’s family at all. Thanks for all your efforts to date though. Any other ideas?
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Catherine
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29 Sep 2019 00:18 |
I've been looking for a marriage record, but no luck so far, sorry.
If you go to this site:-
https://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/collection/Details/archive/110172865
you can buy a copy of Rose's Aliens registration card . It will cost £5.00 but it will give you her photo and it may give you the date of when she arrived in Jersey.
Aliens Restrictions Act. On 17th February 1920 the States of Jersey enacted the principles of the 1914 English Aliens Restrictions Act. Under the law all aliens over the age of sixteen resident in Jersey has to register with the Immigration Officer. Every alien in the Island had to register, no matter how old they were or how long they had been living in Jersey.
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you can also check this out, from the same web site:-
https://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/collection/Details/archive/110279139
I've had a look at the distorted copy and I think it is her marriage. I can make out Married on and the date of March 27th and the name Charles Alfred son of
and a few other bits but best make a request to see it properly.
[A digital image is available to view online or this item is closed because it is exempt from public access under the Freedom of Information Law. If you would like to make a request please email us.]
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